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Old 08-11-2010, 02:22 PM   #106
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I'll say it again, in theory having only 2 classes is a great idea but there is at least one major problem, If a lot of guys are forced to only run one class they just wont show up. Spending up wards of 1-2k for me to attend a race on the west coast is not worth it to me for 30 minutes of track time.

And don't tell me to run 12th scale or wgt. This is my hobby and I will run what I want. I know coming to a race is my choice but if many choose not to come because of this rule and or class structure then attendance will be even lower.

I think the idea of an amateur class now at the nationals is a good idea, Its basically like the stock class of 2006 but not full of 75-100 percent sponsored drivers. Some of you may say that an amateur class should not be at the "Nationals" ok well I would maybe agree with you if these races were selling out but they are not and until they do add as many classes as you can to keep them afloat so it is at least profitable for the Host track.
I never said you had to Mr Fairtrace...if you want to run touring car, you should be able to run touring car. But not everyone runs touring car. What's good for the goose may not necessarily be good for the gander. Now Im not saying there should be 27 classes because again it goes back to my point of what would be better...finishing top 10 in a class of 30 or top 10 in a class of 100...I dont think that someone should be mandated to run a class but you shouldnt not at least consider offering a class just because some people dont want to run it because its not what they want to run.
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I wasnt refering to your post. I was simply saying that is the usual response to a statement similar to the one I made.

I have been told you dont even race much and have never been to a big race but have a lot of opinions on them. I could be wrong becasue I dont know you.
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Old 08-11-2010, 02:41 PM   #109
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Default Continued Success of On Road Racing

Of course the economy is playing a big role in the current state of RC car racing but there are some things that can be done to make it better and to ensure that on road continues through these hard times and well into the future.

1. Have track/host site criteria that reflects the status of a Nationals race and is viewed as a World Class facility. (these are just suggestions)
a. Air conditioned pitting?
b. Painted tracks?
c. Curbing?
d. Race car friendly track?
e. Ballard table smooth?
f. Permanent driverís stand that holds 18 drivers and must be at 5 or 6 ft high?
g. Track size? 120 X 60?
h. Easy to turn marshal?
i. Quality PA system?
j. Electronic race updates so everyone knows what going on, on the track at all times?
k. High quality, fairly priced track food?
l. If you have a World Class track like this, more racers will want to attend.

2. Have the race the same time each year.
a. If you can schedule it in conjunction with a holiday, so much the better.
b. Labor Day will become available after this yearís IIC but that time could present a problem with some racers who are still attending school.

3. Do a five year agreement with one site to hold the ROAR On Road Paved Nationals. If the location is in the middle of the country, great! However..
a. Do not compromise the site criteria just to get it placed.
b. If all of the racers know that for the next five years, the Nationals will be held at the same location, they can plan accordingly. Flights booked a year in advance are far cheaper than flights booked three months in advance.
c. Everyone will know exactly what bring for equipment and parts.
d. Host site can negotiate lower hotel rates if the hotel has a five year agreement.

4. ONLY FOUR CLASSES!
a. Stock & Mod TC & Stock & Mod 1/12th. Maybe each year allow a promoterís option of adding a 5th class but it must be announced what that class will be a year in advance. I know this will push those drivers away that want to run three TC classes but if they do not want to compete to be a National Champion, so be it.

5. Clearly define the rules for the four classes. (this will be the hardest part)
a. This will drive the other tracks/clubs around the country to provide at least the four Nationals classes to be in their race programs if they have any drivers that aspire to be a National Champion. They can run as many other classes that they want but if they have any racers that want to be a National Champion, they will push their local promoters to provide one or more of the National level classes.
b. Manufactures would clearly know what products will fit into each of these four classes and build/market accordingly.

Of course this is just talking points and suggestions. It will take strong leadership and member support to make something like this come to fruition but if we donít do something quick, on road could fade away.
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I wasnt refering to your post. I was simply saying that is the usual response to a statement similar to the one I made.

I have been told you dont even race EVER and have never been to a big race but have a lot of opinions on them. I could be wrong becasue I dont know you.
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Fixed.

Ok so thats what I heard but I wasn't sure.

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I wasnt refering to your post. I was simply saying that is the usual response to a statement similar to the one I made.

I have been told you dont even race much and have never been to a big race but have a lot of opinions on them. I could be wrong becasue I dont know you.
And you would be correct...and I dont apologize for either...I know it doesnt give me a lot of credence and I agree with those who say that...(saves me a lot of grief and sleepless nights). Being in Lynchburg, VA doesnt lend itself to being within hailing distance of many tracks, and having quite a few other hobbies and only so much dinero to work with tends to limit that as well
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Old 08-11-2010, 03:19 PM   #113
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how about two ROAR nationals a year?

1st the 1/12 & WGT carpet nats

1/12-17.5 1 cell
1/12-mod 1 cell
WGT-13.5 1 cell

2nd the out door Touring Car nats

TC 17.5
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1. Have track/host site criteria that reflects the status of a Nationals race and is viewed as a World Class facility. (these are just suggestions)
a. Air conditioned pitting?
b. Painted tracks?
c. Curbing?
d. Race car friendly track?
e. Ballard table smooth?
f. Permanent driverís stand that holds 18 drivers and must be at 5 or 6 ft high?
g. Track size? 120 X 60?
h. Easy to turn marshal?
i. Quality PA system?
j. Electronic race updates so everyone knows what going on, on the track at all times?
k. High quality, fairly priced track food?
l. If you have a World Class track like this, more racers will want to attend.

2. Have the race the same time each year.
a. If you can schedule it in conjunction with a holiday, so much the better.
b. Labor Day will become available after this yearís IIC but that time could present a problem with some racers who are still attending school.

3. Do a five year agreement with one site to hold the ROAR On Road Paved Nationals. If the location is in the middle of the country, great! However..
a. Do not compromise the site criteria just to get it placed.
b. If all of the racers know that for the next five years, the Nationals will be held at the same location, they can plan accordingly. Flights booked a year in advance are far cheaper than flights booked three months in advance.
c. Everyone will know exactly what bring for equipment and parts.
d. Host site can negotiate lower hotel rates if the hotel has a five year agreement.

4. ONLY FOUR CLASSES!
a. Stock & Mod TC & Stock & Mod 1/12th. Maybe each year allow a promoterís option of adding a 5th class but it must be announced what that class will be a year in advance. I know this will push those drivers away that want to run three TC classes but if they do not want to compete to be a National Champion, so be it.

5. Clearly define the rules for the four classes. (this will be the hardest part)
a. This will drive the other tracks/clubs around the country to provide at least the four Nationals classes to be in their race programs if they have any drivers that aspire to be a National Champion. They can run as many other classes that they want but if they have any racers that want to be a National Champion, they will push their local promoters to provide one or more of the National level classes.
b. Manufactures would clearly know what products will fit into each of these four classes and build/market accordingly.

Of course this is just talking points and suggestions. It will take strong leadership and member support to make something like this come to fruition but if we donít do something quick, on road could fade away.
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how about two ROAR nationals a year?

1st the 1/12 & WGT carpet nats

1/12-17.5 1 cell
1/12-mod 1 cell
WGT-13.5 1 cell

2nd the out door Touring Car nats

TC 17.5
TC mod
carpet stuff in the winter.... TC stuff in the summer?
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carpet stuff in the winter.... TC stuff in the summer?
If the races had more entrys, this would work. But with limited entrys..
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The foam tire pan cars looked RAILED at NorCal last weekend...
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I'll say it again, in theory having only 2 classes is a great idea but there is at least one major problem, If a lot of guys are forced to only run one class they just wont show up. Spending up wards of 1-2k for me to attend a race on the west coast is not worth it to me for 30 minutes of track time.

And don't tell me to run 12th scale or wgt. This is my hobby and I will run what I want. I know coming to a race is my choice but if many choose not to come because of this rule and or class structure then attendance will be even lower.

I think the idea of an amateur class now at the nationals is a good idea, Its basically like the stock class of 2006 but not full of 75-100 percent sponsored drivers. Some of you may say that an amateur class should not be at the "Nationals" ok well I would maybe agree with you if these races were selling out but they are not and until they do add as many classes as you can to keep them afloat so it is at least profitable for the Host track.
Maybe the UK culture to racing is different with regards to one guy taking part in more than one class

if there are less classes but more people to race against, surely that makes a better feeling of winning and more finals in one class?

Sometimes the facility, the people around you and the quality of the racing is a better angle to take than the variety of classes and racing in more than one of them?

The host or organiser has a lot of weight on their shoulders to provide a good race, just feels like such a waste when a big meeting has poor attendance.
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Not many people ran more than one touring class at this years ROAR nat's.......



I forgot about 1/12 worlds being carpet


I like the summer/winter idea


stock has been super expensive lately, think about it:
you have a 17.5 with a lrp tc spec you are winning and good, next day some guy has an SPX you lose, you buy new esc and win again then next week some guy has a tekin with 2.03 and you lose again and buy a new esc again. And in between you lose to a guy with new 40c batteries and you buy then lose to a guy with new 50c battery


all the time I run the same lrp tc spec and mod motor and 30c batteries glad I don't run the battery/esc of the week class, SAVING $$
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Maybe the UK culture to racing is different with regards to one guy taking part in more than one class

if there are less classes but more people to race against, surely that makes a better feeling of winning and more finals in one class?

Sometimes the facility, the people around you and the quality of the racing is a better angle to take than the variety of classes and racing in more than one of them?

The host or organiser has a lot of weight on their shoulders to provide a good race, just feels like such a waste when a big meeting has poor attendance.
Our events are different than yours. From what I can see, the Euros ran over 4 days with each driver getting 6 rounds of controlled practice, 6 rounds of qualifying, and triple mains. The ROAR Nats, with virtually the same number of entries, ran over 4 days with one round of controlled practice (plus some open practice), four rounds of qualifying, and triple A-mains/single lower mains.

Most of our larger races like the IIC, Snowbirds, U.S. Indoor Champs run over 4 days with 4 rounds of quali and single A-mains. I think the Snowbirds might even run over 6 days.

Th Euro events pack much more racing into each event so it would be impossible to race two classes. But with a lot less track time at U.S. events, a second class fills up time that would be spent sitting around waiting.

Our races are also mostly about profit so the more entries you can get, the more profit there is to be made. Second, third, and fourth classes are encouraged. But to be fair, some races could not exist in the first place without the money from multiple entries.
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