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Old 03-07-2012, 11:29 AM   #181
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Have you ever tried to steer a car that has power steering and that fails??
It is much harder to steer then a car that hasn't got power steering at all.
This is due to the design of the steering rack.
It ain't BS that he retired as the car would be undrivable or if he did he would end up in the tires or barriers.

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Yes I have. When I was younger, I had a Civic Hatchback and took the power steering pump out and the to me it felt much better. I also did the same to a 1992 Subaru SVX. It might just be me missing my Karting days (Even though they are much lighter ). Back then most F1 and other race cars didn't have power steering and at that F1 race I mentioned, the commentators even said something about the older F1 cars not having power steering. So un-drivable, no as Lewis drove my idol's car with something close to 1400HP without power steering. When I raced Karts, I used to train in a steering device with weights on each side and found out later it was the same thing professional drivers did since their cars didn't have power steering.
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Yes I have. When I was younger, I had a Civic Hatchback and took the power steering pump out and the to me it felt much better. I also did the same to a 1992 Subaru SVX. It might just be me missing my Karting days (Even though they are much lighter ). Back then most F1 and other race cars didn't have power steering and at that F1 race I mentioned, the commentators even said something about the older F1 cars not having power steering. So un-drivable, no as Lewis drove my idol's car with something close to 1400HP without power steering. When I raced Karts, I used to train in a steering device with weights on each side and found out later it was the same thing professional drivers did since their cars didn't have power steering.
F1 cars have progressed.
More Downforce
More Grip
More Speed
They are simply faster than ever, and faster with power steering.
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Well, Well! Look at what I found "literally" behind a cabinet in a buddys garage. I actually gave it to him over 5 years ago! Can't even remember how I got it, but it was a duplicate of a shelf queen I have, so didnt need it. With all the renewed interest, it will become a runner. I am even thinking I should clear coat it with all the dust! Gotta love the 7 cell battery What a time capsule!
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Well, Well! Look at what I found "literally" behind a cabinet in a buddys garage. I actually gave it to him over 5 years ago! Can't even remember how I got it, but it was a duplicate of a shelf queen I have, so didnt need it. With all the renewed interest, it will become a runner. I am even thinking I should clear coat it with all the dust! Gotta love the 7 cell battery What a time capsule!
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Old 03-07-2012, 02:23 PM   #185
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Does anyone know any staff at the body makers to see if they still have the molds to pull the old Jaguar and Porshe GTP bodies? And any chance they would fit the newer 12th and 10th scale pan cars?
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F1 cars have progressed.
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More Speed
They are simply faster than ever, and faster with power steering.
Sounds more like a bunch spoiled brats to me and we see them everywhere now. I even saw one of the new spoiled brat in an R/C event/race I went a few years back. Kind of sad that he took his frustrations on his R/C truck.

I agree with more down force and grip, but speed has actually been down a bit compared to the turbo 1200-1400HP monsters. I remember in one of the tracks they would reach close to 230MPH (I have to double check this though).
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Sounds more like a bunch spoiled brats to me and we see them everywhere now. I even saw one of the new spoiled brat in an R/C event/race I went a few years back. Kind of sad that he took his frustrations on his R/C truck.

I agree with more down force and grip, but speed has actually been down a bit compared to the turbo 1200-1400HP monsters. I remember in one of the tracks they would reach close to 230MPH (I have to double check this though).
Corner speed is up, that's where the power-steering makes a difference.
Top speed doesn't decide lap times, case in point, RedBull are typically slower top speed than other teams.
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Manual steering rack vs. power steering rack that failed. HUGE difference.
It can be done but not too safe at uber speeds and uber G force loads, gotta know when to say when.
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Yes I have. When I was younger, I had a Civic Hatchback and took the power steering pump out and the to me it felt much better. I also did the same to a 1992 Subaru SVX. It might just be me missing my Karting days (Even though they are much lighter ). Back then most F1 and other race cars didn't have power steering and at that F1 race I mentioned, the commentators even said something about the older F1 cars not having power steering. So un-drivable, no as Lewis drove my idol's car with something close to 1400HP without power steering. When I raced Karts, I used to train in a steering device with weights on each side and found out later it was the same thing professional drivers did since their cars didn't have power steering.
I'm sorry but losing the power steering on a civic or Subaru just isn't any comparison. I have driven many power steering cars without the pump working. First time I did it was in a 1969 mustang fastback. That car was a pain to steer. The lighter cars with smaller tires are still relatively east to steer without power steering.

A f1 car that loses power steering must be a real handful. The size of the tires alone would make it hard. Add in all of the acting g forces and finish it off with a miniature steering wheel then it would be nearly impossible to drive. Now add the steering wheel from a 1959 Cadillac and you're back in business.
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Have you ever tried to steer a car that has power steering and that fails??
It is much harder to steer then a car that hasn't got power steering at all.
This is due to the design of the steering rack.
It ain't BS that he retired as the car would be undrivable or if he did he would end up in the tires or barriers.

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Absolutely. Especially since they use about 1/2 turn of the wheel for full lock and are right on the edge of control. He would not be able to make the small corrections fast enough to maintain control.
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I guess I'm too old school . My SVX weigh about 3200lbs. and I don't like how the car feels at high speed with the pump on, so I took the belt off. So maybe the new drivers don't have big (you know what) to drive cars that not to long ago had no power steering. Can't wait to see go-kart with power steering , since that what the F1 drivers run off-season.

On topic for a bit. My M.A.N.E. Eclipse is almost like a pan-car, but with independent suspension, how competitive would you guys think it could be against the new 235mm cars with a nice Porsche 962 body?
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Ok, I just watched the interview at the end of the German GP and the main issue was with the Hydraulics which made him loose power steering, but since the transmission also uses Hydraulics to shift gears, the team decided to retire the race.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yx-_wjjJ57M

I still don't like the feel of power steering .

This kind of sums it all:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTO8I_jPWXU

Want to see a true die hard (#1) Senna fan, you got to see me trying to watch some of the videos .
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I guess I'm too old school . My SVX weigh about 3200lbs. and I don't like how the car feels at high speed with the pump on, so I took the belt off. So maybe the new drivers don't have big (you know what) to drive cars that not to long ago had no power steering. Can't wait to see go-kart with power steering , since that what the F1 drivers run off-season.

On topic for a bit. My M.A.N.E. Eclipse is almost like a pan-car, but with independent suspension, how competitive would you guys think it could be against the new 235mm cars with a nice Porsche 962 body?
Honestly I think the biggest issue would be with the size of the steering wheel. Modern f1 steering wheels are not very big so very little leverage. A larger steering wheel would make it easier to drive with a failed power steering pump.

Great point about the transmission hydraulics.I didn't realize they were linked together though. Pretty cool.
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Honestly I think the biggest issue would be with the size of the steering wheel. Modern f1 steering wheels are not very big so very little leverage. A larger steering wheel would make it easier to drive with a failed power steering pump.

Great point about the transmission hydraulics.I didn't realize they were linked together though. Pretty cool.
You're correct, the size of the steering is small and it's the reason the cars now use power assisted steering.
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Does anyone know any staff at the body makers to see if they still have the molds to pull the old Jaguar and Porshe GTP bodies? And any chance they would fit the newer 12th and 10th scale pan cars?
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