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Old 06-06-2004, 01:37 PM   #46
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Touchy touchy. But anyway name one hi end electric off road kit that doesn't come with tyres eh. I had Yokomo, Losi, Associated back in the day and from what I've seen they still come with tyres and so it should be in on-road.
Off road and on road are completely different. A factory team B4 will come with a set of M3 compound Holeshot rear tires, which as the saying goes "holeshots are the second fastest tire everywhere", meaning that at just about ANY track they'll hook up at least enough to get you 85% of what you'd get if you had the perfect tires for that track. On road rubber and foam tires are COMPLETELY diffferent.

I've got a set of HPI rubbers that came with an old HPI kit and for kicks I put them on at my carpet track just to see how they'd do since they felt pretty sticky. They were at MINIMUM 5 seconds a LAP off any foam tire I've ever tried. I also race off road truck and buggy, at my indoor track I've been running Holeshots and have been able to win or at least top 3 every single race I've ran there. Yesterday I tried Losi Taper pins and shaved about 4 seconds off my TOTAL race time, which allowed me to TQ and win stadium truck.

That is why high end on road cars don't come with tires while high end off road cars do.
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Old 06-06-2004, 01:40 PM   #47
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if u are the owner will u produced thousand of kit to suit each group where those group are very very minority or only for u

better produce kit that suit 99% of the market that 1% like u eat your self
Well that's what I get for off-roading in the late 80's and early 90's I guess here in NZ for example even in the 90's a Yokomo off-road would set you back $600 Nz and purchase wouldn't even be considered with out a good set of rubber.
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Off road and on road are completely different. A factory team B4 will come with a set of M3 compound Holeshot rear tires, which as the saying goes "holeshots are the second fastest tire everywhere", meaning that at just about ANY track they'll hook up at least enough to get you 85% of what you'd get if you had the perfect tires for that track. On road rubber and foam tires are COMPLETELY diffferent.

I've got a set of HPI rubbers that came with an old HPI kit and for kicks I put them on at my carpet track just to see how they'd do since they felt pretty sticky. They were at MINIMUM 5 seconds a LAP off any foam tire I've ever tried. I also race off road truck and buggy, at my indoor track I've been running Holeshots and have been able to win or at least top 3 every single race I've ran there. Yesterday I tried Losi Taper pins and shaved about 4 seconds off my TOTAL race time, which allowed me to TQ and win stadium truck.

That is why high end on road cars don't come with tires while high end off road cars do.
The short answer is basically...Holy crap THAT much of a difference.
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Well put it this way without tyres it is not a complete kit to me and I'll not spend that sort of money on a kit with bits missing.
Then you'll end up buying anything but a top of the line car kit because NONE does includes tyres and they're absolutely right to do that IMO. Example : some guys said he wouldn't be happy to find rubber tires because he only runs FOAMS. Well I wouldn't be happy to find FOAMS in my kit because I'm never gonna use them.

Think about it this way : most car manufacturers DON'T produce tyres so why should they include something they do not produce, or that the final user will not use anyway ? After all you're talking about top notch cars, and in competition the tires are one of the most important factor to consider, so the driver will always want to have his own choice.

Hey, I got a bad news for you : the bodyshell is not included either
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Well the RC world has changed in the many years you were out of the sport. You cant expect the RC manufactors to cater to what a couple of people seem to think is right ... most people think like I do... I dont want tires or a body when I buy a touring car kit... I would just end up giving them away or have them taking up space in my basement.
Most manufactors now offer what you seem to want... they call the RTR or ready to run!

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I'd rather not pay for tires I will never use.
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I'd rather not pay for tires I will never use.
Me neither but I'm not talking about competition tyres just something suitable to run it up and down the driveway when setting the transmitter sort of thing. Sure I'd buy good tyres but I wouldn't use them for set up. I'm lead to believe that kit losi tyres are good for this sort of thing but not racing...anyway I'm sure you get the idea.

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Man...
I am so pissed off, my PRO4 didn't come with a 8turn motor, a speed control, or 3 packs of matched GP3300



J/k...
They are right, rc comsumers don't live in the same temerapture zone. some tires would be useless to some but are gold to others. Why would people want to have useless tires? You are not gonna run your pro-car "outside" (well, most won't, i don't mind) And they would be useless for practicing. If you practice with the wrong tires, you won't be getting better any time soon.

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Me neither but I'm not talking about competition tyres just something suitable to run it up and down the driveway when setting the transmitter sort of thing. Sure I'd buy good tyres but I wouldn't uses them for set up. I'm lead to believe that kit losi tyres are good for this sort of thing but not racing...anyway I'm sure you get the idea.
I set my transmitter on my pit table, and then on the track for the steering trims (which are never far off if you're careful). Hell I wouldn't use my car on the driveway !
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Touchy touchy. But anyway name one hi end electric off road kit that doesn't come with tyres eh. I had Yokomo, Losi, Associated back in the day and from what I've seen they still come with tyres and so it should be in on-road.
one high end kit that doesnt come with tires? FT TC3 and Alex Racing Barracuda for starters
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one high end kit that doesnt come with tires? FT TC3 and Alex Racing Barracuda for starters
That's hi end Off Road. :P
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hehehe...electric off-road too..as there are a lot of high end nitro kits that don't come with rubber...

It's your money...it sounds like you had it down to the Xray and somethign else and are choosing to go the direction of the other kit because of the tires?

What kit are you choosing?
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if u want a set of tires with it buy a sport kit... a kit that doesnt come with tires is usually a full blown competitive race car...
meaning if u are buying this kit it is for racing and not playing...

also meaning u need a particular set of tires and inserts, so why bother giving you a set u wont use... would u rather have the kit cost 20 bucks more??? or save that 20 bucks and get some tires u can use... everything they add in a kit = more money
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Guys...I think the point that he was tryign to make was that he put together 2 possibilities for kits...
and at the end it came down to one or the other..
and he used the tires as a deciding factor...

I personally don't agree with his initial argument that tires MUST be included..but if used as a tie-breaker I see no problem with it...
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yes that would piss me off

what kit did you buy?
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