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03-27-2019, 08:19 PM
#8611
Why are you buying the latest spec motor? I’ve been using the same one for over a year. Maybe try some setup changes or a fresh pack. The spec racing can be frustrating if no tech is being done for sure. I’ve seen many people chasing tech instead of setup or driving style. Just my two cents.
03-27-2019, 08:25 PM
#8612
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I’ve only raced on pavement. I did not use any traction compound. Other then what was sprayed down before racing. The others did. But I wasn’t really racing against them. More against my own times, and trying to stay out the way of faster, more experienced drivers. I’d planned to star using it but last summers racing was cut short by weather. And looks like they have decided to not run it this summer.
Here’s a video of my first try on carpet. First without then with.
03-28-2019, 03:10 AM
#8613
Nice! Where do you race? I love traveling to tracks.
03-28-2019, 03:54 AM
#8614
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The car will be completely unpredictable at best. I was able to turn laps without it. But was 2-3 seconds slower then once I did use it.
I’ve only raced on pavement. I did not use any traction compound. Other then what was sprayed down before racing. The others did. But I wasn’t really racing against them. More against my own times, and trying to stay out the way of faster, more experienced drivers. I’d planned to star using it but last summers racing was cut short by weather. And looks like they have decided to not run it this summer.
Here’s a video of my first try on carpet. First without then with.
The car will be completely unpredictable at best. I was able to turn laps without it. But was 2-3 seconds slower then once I did use it.
I’ve only raced on pavement. I did not use any traction compound. Other then what was sprayed down before racing. The others did. But I wasn’t really racing against them. More against my own times, and trying to stay out the way of faster, more experienced drivers. I’d planned to star using it but last summers racing was cut short by weather. And looks like they have decided to not run it this summer.
Here’s a video of my first try on carpet. First without then with.
03-28-2019, 04:21 AM
#8615
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03-28-2019, 04:51 AM
#8616
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The Orland Park HT isn't running this summer?
The car will be completely unpredictable at best. I was able to turn laps without it. But was 2-3 seconds slower then once I did use it.
I’ve only raced on pavement. I did not use any traction compound. Other then what was sprayed down before racing. The others did. But I wasn’t really racing against them. More against my own times, and trying to stay out the way of faster, more experienced drivers. I’d planned to star using it but last summers racing was cut short by weather. And looks like they have decided to not run it this summer.
Here’s a video of my first try on carpet. First without then with.
https://youtu.be/FTiFSS7hfNQ
The car will be completely unpredictable at best. I was able to turn laps without it. But was 2-3 seconds slower then once I did use it.
I’ve only raced on pavement. I did not use any traction compound. Other then what was sprayed down before racing. The others did. But I wasn’t really racing against them. More against my own times, and trying to stay out the way of faster, more experienced drivers. I’d planned to star using it but last summers racing was cut short by weather. And looks like they have decided to not run it this summer.
Here’s a video of my first try on carpet. First without then with.
https://youtu.be/FTiFSS7hfNQ
03-28-2019, 05:14 AM
#8617
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Unfortunately it’s not looking good for it. Turnout last summer was down, weather was a bigger problem then in the previous years. And the small scale racing is growing. My videos have brought more then a dozen new people out since September Not all have started running. But more have then have not.
Nothing is official yet. Sidewinderz has decided to keep small scale going through summer. They do want to go to Orland, see how the parking lot held over winter, Talk to owner. With leisure closed it’s possible that some would come? Or would it be too much of a step back from the perfect leisure track to parking lot.
I had really hoped that the videos would have gotten a few to try. If Sidewinderz could get me to race, and to slowly continue to improve. And to keep going even knowing at best I’m 3 laps off pace. Then others might try. We were open to running any class that enuff showed up. I even tried a 1/12 to see the if could even work. I wasn’t completely anti-racing before(anti-social, yeah) but didn’t get the appeal off it. Leisure was only 30-40 minutes from me. Yet in 7 years before I never went.
will have to see what happens. The store will still have the “for fun” 1/18 racing. That group is considering a similar version with Euro Truck.
Nothing is official yet. Sidewinderz has decided to keep small scale going through summer. They do want to go to Orland, see how the parking lot held over winter, Talk to owner. With leisure closed it’s possible that some would come? Or would it be too much of a step back from the perfect leisure track to parking lot.
I had really hoped that the videos would have gotten a few to try. If Sidewinderz could get me to race, and to slowly continue to improve. And to keep going even knowing at best I’m 3 laps off pace. Then others might try. We were open to running any class that enuff showed up. I even tried a 1/12 to see the if could even work. I wasn’t completely anti-racing before(anti-social, yeah) but didn’t get the appeal off it. Leisure was only 30-40 minutes from me. Yet in 7 years before I never went.
will have to see what happens. The store will still have the “for fun” 1/18 racing. That group is considering a similar version with Euro Truck.
03-28-2019, 07:05 AM
#8618
So that's a good question. Traction compound softens the rubber of the tire, when used heavily it can really change the tire. I (along with many people) use it in the last couple minutes before a race. To directly answer your question, if you don't use it, your cars tires will take many laps to get up to temperature and working well. With tire sauce, half a lap, or a lap, and my car is running "right". Without, it can be a solid 5 laps, if I am driving ok, before the car starts to work right.
03-28-2019, 09:14 AM
#8619
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Like several others here, I am also new to USGT...so new, in fact, that I haven't purchased a chassis...yet...I started with a list of 6 possibilities, which I've narrowed down to 3 (although new "recommendations" have been coming in from others at my LHS). Currently, my other vehicles are all off-road.
Anyway, while I am taking the time to read the all 575 pages of this thread, one thing I've noticed about the class is that there's been a few changes since the class started. Complicating matters is that the ROAR Rulebook isn't exactly up-to-date, and locating the latest info for certain classes can prove "problematic" (case in point, the dissolved 'truggy' & 'stadium truck' classes, as well as the somewhat disorganized Rulebook, which, for the most part, haven't been officially updated since 2013).
WhileI don't mind going through all 575 pages, as I'm also interested in how the class has evolved (NOT that I plan on reading every word of every post), there is certain to be others who either don't have the time, won't take the time and/or don't have the patience to go through 575 pages. For those people (and, to a small degree, for myself, as well), is it possible for someone extremely familiar with ALL the rules for this class to post the most recent rules covering everything one needs to know?
While most classes allow racers their choice of rim, tire, motor, chassis, body, etc, the USGT class is very specific about certain things (ie. tires), and those who are looking to get into the class (any class, actually) would prefer to have easily-recognisable, and easily-obtainable, information, so as to determine if a class is for them. While I've already made the decision to join, even without knowing all the rules, others could get "scared away" purely on the fact that finding all the current rules can be difficult, if not near-impossible. It's primarily for those people that I ask someone to post a complete list of the most recent rules.
Anyway, while I am taking the time to read the all 575 pages of this thread, one thing I've noticed about the class is that there's been a few changes since the class started. Complicating matters is that the ROAR Rulebook isn't exactly up-to-date, and locating the latest info for certain classes can prove "problematic" (case in point, the dissolved 'truggy' & 'stadium truck' classes, as well as the somewhat disorganized Rulebook, which, for the most part, haven't been officially updated since 2013).
WhileI don't mind going through all 575 pages, as I'm also interested in how the class has evolved (NOT that I plan on reading every word of every post), there is certain to be others who either don't have the time, won't take the time and/or don't have the patience to go through 575 pages. For those people (and, to a small degree, for myself, as well), is it possible for someone extremely familiar with ALL the rules for this class to post the most recent rules covering everything one needs to know?
While most classes allow racers their choice of rim, tire, motor, chassis, body, etc, the USGT class is very specific about certain things (ie. tires), and those who are looking to get into the class (any class, actually) would prefer to have easily-recognisable, and easily-obtainable, information, so as to determine if a class is for them. While I've already made the decision to join, even without knowing all the rules, others could get "scared away" purely on the fact that finding all the current rules can be difficult, if not near-impossible. It's primarily for those people that I ask someone to post a complete list of the most recent rules.
03-28-2019, 10:24 AM
#8621
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Even that list is somewhat outdated, having been last updated almost two years ago. One example would be the bodies, as there are bodies listed that have since been discontinued, and there are newer bodies (such as Bittydesign's AGATA) that aren't on the list.
03-28-2019, 10:41 AM
#8622
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Our group used the simple basic rules., Tires, weight and body. But nothing was ever checked.
03-28-2019, 11:07 AM
#8623
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The AGATA is only couple weeks old. It’s just now getting into people’s hands. For the most part, most clubs won’t make a big deal out of what body used. Unless it’s a special event. The guys that ran our races let those of us just getting into the race side run what we wanted for first half of summer. Then suggested we pick a legal body.
Our group used the simple basic rules., Tires, weight and body. But nothing was ever checked.
More importantly, there have been other changes made, most notably a "ROAR-approved motor", Spec ESC, and only one specific tire. Using the tire & wheel as an example, when the class was started, any 24mm or 26mm wheel & tire could be used. Now, only one specific tire is allowed (for which I can't seem to find any info on, especially width), yet any 24mm or 26mm wheel is still allowed. If people are unable to locate any info on the tire, that makes it somewhat difficult in choosing a wheel. Additionally, it leads me to wonder why a specific width wheel wasn't made mandatory, as different width tires & wheels, when paired up, can create different "problems".
Now, if the required tire happened to be available in both 24mm & 26mm widths, it would make sense...but, as far as I've been able to determine, the "required tire" is made in only one width, and only one tread pattern, which brings up another question - track surfaces. Typically, there are tires that are designed for on-road carpet, and there are on-road asphalt tires...but, with only one approved tire, how does this work? I know of tracks that have USGT class & carpet, but I also know of tracks with USGT & asphalt. Having off-road vehicles, I know enough to never use a carpet tire on clay/dirt, and visa-versa. I have two particular wheels currently in mind, but since there's no info on the tire, I don't know if it will fit my wheel choices.
03-28-2019, 11:14 AM
#8624
I completely understand about the AGATA...I was only using that body because I knew it was just released, & knew it (probably) wouldn't be on the list yet. But, there are other bodies that have been released since 2017 that are not on the list.
More importantly, there have been other changes made, most notably a "ROAR-approved motor", Spec ESC, and only one specific tire. Using the tire & wheel as an example, when the class was started, any 24mm or 26mm wheel & tire could be used. Now, only one specific tire is allowed (for which I can't seem to find any info on, especially width), yet any 24mm or 26mm wheel is still allowed. If people are unable to locate any info on the tire, that makes it somewhat difficult in choosing a wheel. Additionally, it leads me to wonder why a specific width wheel wasn't made mandatory, as different width tires & wheels, when paired up, can create different "problems".
Now, if the required tire happened to be available in both 24mm & 26mm widths, it would make sense...but, as far as I've been able to determine, the "required tire" is made in only one width, and only one tread pattern, which brings up another question - track surfaces. Typically, there are tires that are designed for on-road carpet, and there are on-road asphalt tires...but, with only one approved tire, how does this work? I know of tracks that have USGT class & carpet, but I also know of tracks with USGT & asphalt. Having off-road vehicles, I know enough to never use a carpet tire on clay/dirt, and visa-versa. I have two particular wheels currently in mind, but since there's no info on the tire, I don't know if it will fit my wheel choices.
More importantly, there have been other changes made, most notably a "ROAR-approved motor", Spec ESC, and only one specific tire. Using the tire & wheel as an example, when the class was started, any 24mm or 26mm wheel & tire could be used. Now, only one specific tire is allowed (for which I can't seem to find any info on, especially width), yet any 24mm or 26mm wheel is still allowed. If people are unable to locate any info on the tire, that makes it somewhat difficult in choosing a wheel. Additionally, it leads me to wonder why a specific width wheel wasn't made mandatory, as different width tires & wheels, when paired up, can create different "problems".
Now, if the required tire happened to be available in both 24mm & 26mm widths, it would make sense...but, as far as I've been able to determine, the "required tire" is made in only one width, and only one tread pattern, which brings up another question - track surfaces. Typically, there are tires that are designed for on-road carpet, and there are on-road asphalt tires...but, with only one approved tire, how does this work? I know of tracks that have USGT class & carpet, but I also know of tracks with USGT & asphalt. Having off-road vehicles, I know enough to never use a carpet tire on clay/dirt, and visa-versa. I have two particular wheels currently in mind, but since there's no info on the tire, I don't know if it will fit my wheel choices.
03-28-2019, 11:20 AM
#8625
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I completely understand about the AGATA...I was only using that body because I knew it was just released, & knew it (probably) wouldn't be on the list yet. But, there are other bodies that have been released since 2017 that are not on the list.
More importantly, there have been other changes made, most notably a "ROAR-approved motor", Spec ESC, and only one specific tire. Using the tire & wheel as an example, when the class was started, any 24mm or 26mm wheel & tire could be used. Now, only one specific tire is allowed (for which I can't seem to find any info on, especially width), yet any 24mm or 26mm wheel is still allowed. If people are unable to locate any info on the tire, that makes it somewhat difficult in choosing a wheel. Additionally, it leads me to wonder why a specific width wheel wasn't made mandatory, as different width tires & wheels, when paired up, can create different "problems".
Now, if the required tire happened to be available in both 24mm & 26mm widths, it would make sense...but, as far as I've been able to determine, the "required tire" is made in only one width, and only one tread pattern, which brings up another question - track surfaces. Typically, there are tires that are designed for on-road carpet, and there are on-road asphalt tires...but, with only one approved tire, how does this work? I know of tracks that have USGT class & carpet, but I also know of tracks with USGT & asphalt. Having off-road vehicles, I know enough to never use a carpet tire on clay/dirt, and visa-versa. I have two particular wheels currently in mind, but since there's no info on the tire, I don't know if it will fit my wheel choices.
More importantly, there have been other changes made, most notably a "ROAR-approved motor", Spec ESC, and only one specific tire. Using the tire & wheel as an example, when the class was started, any 24mm or 26mm wheel & tire could be used. Now, only one specific tire is allowed (for which I can't seem to find any info on, especially width), yet any 24mm or 26mm wheel is still allowed. If people are unable to locate any info on the tire, that makes it somewhat difficult in choosing a wheel. Additionally, it leads me to wonder why a specific width wheel wasn't made mandatory, as different width tires & wheels, when paired up, can create different "problems".
Now, if the required tire happened to be available in both 24mm & 26mm widths, it would make sense...but, as far as I've been able to determine, the "required tire" is made in only one width, and only one tread pattern, which brings up another question - track surfaces. Typically, there are tires that are designed for on-road carpet, and there are on-road asphalt tires...but, with only one approved tire, how does this work? I know of tracks that have USGT class & carpet, but I also know of tracks with USGT & asphalt. Having off-road vehicles, I know enough to never use a carpet tire on clay/dirt, and visa-versa. I have two particular wheels currently in mind, but since there's no info on the tire, I don't know if it will fit my wheel choices.
I believe this is why the gravity premounted Tires are usually the choice. Takes the questing out. They work on both pavement and carpet.
Simplest thing to do is contact the track you will be at. Ask them what the rules are. Most on road tracks are not in a position to turn people away. And will/should be reasonable with those getting started. Most tracks don’t have the staff to do a full inspection of everyone. Big national events are an entire different animal. Club/local racing is supposed to fun. And not overwhelming