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Originally Posted by jlfx car audio
(Post 15293924)
Actually I think a few of us think its a good move ... A 25.5 usgt trim car is still quite a bit faster than vta . yes its slower than it is now but that actually fixes a few of the issues that usgt are having (unicorn /motor of the month ) (body wars) ( less fade ) more fun . cars are better handeling also
Say it did change to 25.5. Wouldn’t the war just start again with that motor? There are a few things I’ve noticed that seems to get lost in these discussions. Big events vs club/weekend racer. It’s going to take a major effort to convince most that there won’t be a drop in speeds. How often have we read “ go faster not slower” in threads. There are a few big outdoor tracks with F1 running 21.5. Another is just how small the percentage that attend big races. Vast majority don’t. Maybe if a mid sized event is held at local track. If they even have a local track. Another is how small the number is here on the forum. It’s dropped down since the changes months back. There typically 90-110 of us here. And while some may believe that all still race here. I know many here that never have and never will. |
glad to see my idea being looked at.....USGT imo lost a lot of its "sprit" and Im just looking for ways to get it back....
I don't see any major changes anytime soon other than the painted wing and numbers on the cars. The new season has started and like anything the USVTA runs trail and error |
If USGT went to 25.5, I would quit running VTA. Not worth the extra weight and especially the tire situation for those of us that have to run asphalt. $25 for a set of tires that works within a couple of runs vs $50 for tires that take 10 - 15 runs to work?
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Originally Posted by jlfx car audio
(Post 15293924)
Actually I think a few of us think its a good move ... A 25.5 usgt trim car is still quite a bit faster than vta . yes its slower than it is now but that actually fixes a few of the issues that usgt are having (unicorn /motor of the month ) (body wars) ( less fade ) more fun . cars are better handeling also
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Originally Posted by gigaplex
(Post 15294011)
Slower motors increases the need for a power advantage, not the other way around. I'm not sure why you think that'll help the "unicorn/motor of the month".
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Originally Posted by jlfx car audio
(Post 15294108)
Currently all the vta motors are very simular ... Their is no clearly faster motor across the brands (if they are checked to be legal) ... With 21.5 theirs major differences between brands and then you have to worry about them passing tech if tech is involved ...
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[QUOTE=gigaplex;15294132]Since the resistance rules were added in 21.5 (to mirror what 25.5 already had) the differences haven't been that significant. 25.5 motors also need tech inspection
Yes and no ... The resistance added to the 21.5 is in place yes ... But 21.5 motors were found to have large wire in them as well as 17.5 . also the IR #s the 21.5 motors have dont have good clarity vs the 101.5 numbers of the 25.5 motors . its much easier to catch a low 25.5 than it is a low 21.5 ... (4x easier to catch) . |
Spec Tires
Keep the spec tires and rims.
there's a 1000% chance that once that opportunity is opened that people will not use the included foams and there's no way to tech a glued tire. i have tires and rims of my choosing for display purposes but race day i throw on the gravity spec. |
[QUOTE=ImacFanatic;15294227]Keep the spec tires and rims.
there's a 1000% chance that once that opportunity is opened that people will not use the included foams and there's no way to tech a glued tire. i have tires and rims of my choosing for display purposes but race day i throw on the gravity spec. How about instead of Scale Liveries encouraged, its states... Scale Liveries enforced ? |
Originally Posted by jlfx car audio
(Post 15294108)
Currently all the vta motors are very simular ... Their is no clearly faster motor across the brands (if they are checked to be legal) ... With 21.5 theirs major differences between brands and then you have to worry about them passing tech if tech is involved ...
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Originally Posted by miller tyme
(Post 15294236)
Unless you are comparing a '16 25.5 from brand x that did not meet specs and was not submitted to a '17 that was submitted, or a brand y that was 103 when submitted but sells over the counter at 101.5...... and the average racer can't visually tell the difference when they have to compete against them weekly
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The submitted ohms, vs actual ohms is complete BS. As long as it above 101, or whatever the minimum for that wind is AND meets all the other specs, what’s the problem? If it’s below the minimum for that wind, and/or has other aspects out of tolerance then yes there is an issue. Manufacturers find better ways to produce a product, making a product better for consumers, they should have to resubmit every time, and pay ROAR for that privilege? Can ROAR be expected or actually able to keep up with those submissions in a timely fashion?Doubtful. They can’t even keep up with keeping the current rule book up to date as it is now. What’s the minimum TC weight again? 1350 or 1380? Don’t go look in the rule book, your car will be heavy. Things like this just show how much bureaucracy there is and how ridiculous the way some of the rules are written. And if can truly convince yourself that 2 milli-ohms is the reason you lost, then this entire post was a waste of your time. But thanks for reading. |
Originally Posted by EricPF
(Post 15293628)
I'm confused as to how it possibly couldn't fit the spirit of the class. It's a licensed replica of a 1:1 car that runs in the GTLM (GTE Pro at Le Mans) class, based on a production vehicle. Isn't that 100% what this class is all about?
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Originally Posted by theproffesor
(Post 15294256)
The submitted ohms, vs actual ohms is complete BS. As long as it above 101, or whatever the minimum for that wind is AND meets all the other specs, what’s the problem? If it’s below the minimum for that wind, and/or has other aspects out of tolerance then yes there is an issue. Manufacturers find better ways to produce a product, making a product better for consumers, they should have to resubmit every time, and pay ROAR for that privilege? Can ROAR be expected or actually able to keep up with those submissions in a timely fashion?Doubtful. They can’t even keep up with keeping the current rule book up to date as it is now. What’s the minimum TC weight again? 1350 or 1380? Don’t go look in the rule book, your car will be heavy. Things like this just show how much bureaucracy there is and how ridiculous the way some of the rules are written. And if can truly convince yourself that 2 milli-ohms is the reason you lost, then this entire post was a waste of your time. But thanks for reading. Set universal ohm limit. 101 for example Now you bought brand x motor. Brand X now decides to do some custom stuff for their drivers, and hits upon a combo of wire, and stack that hits 101, but doesnt fade or is faster or whatever. You cant buy this, but they have it and its legal for the race your at, since it passes 101 ohm. Now you're mad ?????? PROFIT |
Originally Posted by robk
(Post 15294268)
Ok here's how this works,
Set universal ohm limit. 101 for example Now you bought brand x motor. Brand X now decides to do some custom stuff for their drivers, and hits upon a combo of wire, and stack that hits 101, but doesnt fade or is faster or whatever. You cant buy this, but they have it and its legal for the race your at, since it passes 101 ohm. Now you're mad ?????? PROFIT So this is called detering a motor ... |
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