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Old 11-07-2004, 11:30 AM   #2041
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I'd have to agree with Rick on this.....The worlds is a showcase for the best prepared and most talented teams, not for a guy who can't find time to practice so he isn't as good.

If people start buying formula one race cars should F1 start a new class so they won't have to worry about racing Michael Schumacher?

Years ago people used to complain about the cost of R/C and some even stopped racing long ago because of the "expense". Lately it has come to light that it isn't about money at all, since it seems price is no object if someone feels they can, or might, win.

That would be the only reason for multiple but similar(ie, Sedans; stock, 19 turn, 21 turn, 10 turn mod, open mod) classes at any level of racing, but isn't the mindset we would want for a "WORLD" title.

I could here it now, "who's the best sedan driver in the world?"..reply, "which class?">sigh<.....imo, Jim
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Old 11-07-2004, 11:53 AM   #2042
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What could, and should be done, is RECOGNIZE the effort of any non-factory drivers and award the best (or best 10) some type of award. So the 55th place driver could still be awarded for his good finish accomplished without factory backing. He should not however be the World Champion.
Very similar to what they do at the Masters in golf. The highest-finishing amateur is recognized alongside the eventual champion.
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Old 11-07-2004, 12:12 PM   #2043
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The highest-finishing amateur is recognized alongside the eventual champion.
EXACTLY the point i was tring to make. WITH or WITHOUT separate classes, not sure how golf works.
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carpetracer, there were a few people shooting video, i'm sure they will have them for sale before too long, .

As far as the 1/12th carpet, imo, carpet is for when it's just too cold outdoors to race. While 1/12th is a little easier on carpet, it just doesn't feel right to me, since no form of fullscale racing takes place on carpet. Or with foam tires for that matter. Maybe that's why 1/10th pan is gone.Too big for inside so there is nothing to keep it alive like 1/12th...........jmo, Jim
Very few, if any actually, fullscale racing is with 4 or 6 cell batteries either.....
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Bad idea. The World champion is the best regardless or level of sponsorship. There should not be an additional, meaningless title - World Champion Non-Factory Sponsored Guy.

What could, and should be done, is RECOGNIZE the effort of any non-factory drivers and award the best (or best 10) some type of award. So the 55th place driver could still be awarded for his good finish accomplished without factory backing. He should not however be the World Champion.

This was done at the World Cup in Newcastle and was a great way to award drivers for strong finishes without watering down the competition with too many classes.
Hmmmm.......
I donīt see the point.
No-one get sponsored without A LOT of result without sponsorship.... Does anyone start with full sponsorship?
Itīs a part of it.
What is " a fully sponsored driver" anyway??
Yoshioka Daisuke is a salesman at HPI. Atsushi Hara, a full time driver. Booth work full time for HPI / Hot Bodies, but doing very different jobs....

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Old 11-07-2004, 04:50 PM   #2046
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Anders, maybe that's why gas racing is so much more popular?

We won't get into the battery issue, sore subject for on-road, especially at this worlds.....heh heh, , Jim
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All classes have there advantages.
And disadvantages....
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Old 11-07-2004, 05:13 PM   #2048
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Hmmmm.......
I donīt see the point.
No-one get sponsored without A LOT of result without sponsorship.... Does anyone start with full sponsorship?
Itīs a part of it.
What is " a fully sponsored driver" anyway??
Yoshioka Daisuke is a salesman at HPI. Atsushi Hara, a full time driver. Booth work full time for HPI / Hot Bodies, but doing very different jobs....
The idea was to try to avoid having two World Champions as it was suggested. If it were up to me there would only be one per class.

I see no reason why a privateer, who was able to qualify for the Worlds, shoul not be recognized in some way.
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Well guys, take a look at WRC, they've got privateers running against work teams, yet they still have just ONE class. Regardless of whether they have factory backing or not, they all compete against one and another.
Having two worlds is pointless and defeats the idea of having a worlds at all. Worlds is about the competition of all top drivers/teams in the world, if people complain that they cannot win at a worlds event, then may be they need to recognise that they are not the best in the world.
HOwever, it is a good idea to have some form of recognition for the privateers, perhaps the best 3 privateers finishers. But, how can u identify someone as privateers? a little hard sometimes..
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Isn't that what Stock is supposed to be in ROAR, more for the non-sponsored guy? That's also one of the reason why our magazine will not cover the stock Nats, since it will make the Factory drivers go!

There's nothing wrong with the worlds other than it's currently taking way to long. A total of what 12 days for this years two classes? Yikes.
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Ya, the on-road worlds was 3 miles from my house, but I didn't race in it. I could have resume'd in, since it wasn't full, but chose not to, due to the expense vs my skill level*.

*Realistically, if I ran at my best I may have made the E or F main, a cinderella run might have netted me a C or D. Problems equal a dissmal H-M main, LOL.

After talking with some of the top racers at the event we concluded the value of a 5 minute race at the worlds. Since batteries were only good for two runs(3 runs on the best packs available and you dumped), motors were seriously dropping off in power after a few runs and tires were good for one run, plus adding in and equally dividing the entry fees, etc....Racing at the on-road worlds costs $185.00 per 5 minute race if you are not sponsored!

Any privateers want a shot, bring $185 for each time your going on the track if you want a chance to make the higher mains(7 battery packs, 5 or 6 6&7 turns motors, 13 sets of tires.....If you make the A main, 15 sets of tires). Masami had 5 personal mechanics and finished 4th!!!...............Sign me up, LMAO, it was a blast to watch though...........Jim
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The time to run the Worlds has been greatly reduced recently.

Anyway the Touring car portion was 4 days from practice to mains and the 1/12 was 3 days. So seven race days with a day in between.
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Isn't that what Stock is supposed to be in ROAR, more for the non-sponsored guy? That's also one of the reason why our magazine will not cover the stock Nats, since it will make the Factory drivers go!

There's nothing wrong with the worlds other than it's currently taking way to long. A total of what 12 days for this years two classes? Yikes.
did you really say that out loud.
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I thought it and you read my mind...you must be bulimic.
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Bad idea. The World champion is the best regardless or level of sponsorship. There should not be an additional, meaningless title - World Champion Non-Factory Sponsored Guy.

What could, and should be done, is RECOGNIZE the effort of any non-factory drivers and award the best (or best 10) some type of award. So the 55th place driver could still be awarded for his good finish accomplished without factory backing. He should not however be the World Champion.

This was done at the World Cup in Newcastle and was a great way to award drivers for strong finishes without watering down the competition with too many classes.
SPOT ON RICK.

That driver in 98 at Newcastle was a very young Atsushi Hara. If you remember rightly they even had a seperate race for the best 10 non works drivers. Another good idea. If I remember rightly Barry B did one of his usual brilliant race commentaries.

The big problem with most big races is a lack of time to socialise and meet other people from different countries, as Anders said. Interestingly Craig Drescher in an article he wrote recently complained about the same thing. I tend to agree. Whilst our prime objective at race meetings is to race, it is nice to be able to meet like minded people and spend some time discussing things other than RC.
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