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Old 04-21-2004, 12:19 PM   #1
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Last night I had almost no steering on my 1/10 Electric touring car on carpet, caused by no traction on my front foam tires. The tires had what someone called a "glaze" a kind of a shiny surface.

Somone advised me to take it outside in the parking lot and scuff up the tires. That seemed to work, the glaze wore off and the tires returned to a more foam like look and had excellet traction the rest of the night. I had been using "jack the gripper" traction fluid on my tires.
Is the glaze that stuff heating up and melting, or caused by some kind of over use of traction fluid?

I would like to know how to avoid this in the future and
is using the asphalt parking lot lik a big skidpad the right remedy for this?


Note: Foam tires are generally purshased pre glued and balanced with rims? If you have a badly chunked foam do you just by a new pair of tires?
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Old 04-21-2004, 12:25 PM   #2
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foam tires for TC's are usually preglued now but i dont think theyre factory balanced.

if you get chunks off ur tires just true them down if you can. with a tire truer
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Old 04-21-2004, 12:54 PM   #3
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jonah the tires dont get balanced so forget about it.
now if you do it thats another topic.

tires are sold mounted and trued.
you could purchace foam dounuts which are rough cut you'll have to do the prep work and mount and true to size.
as far as chunking generally you dont use them to race but keep them around if they arent that bad use them for practice or wait till you chunck another and match it up with the unchunked tire.
as far as the glaze basically whats happening is the rubber is buffing and that happens due to friction across the carpet. tires dont get hot enough to melt.
take soap and water or lighter fluid to clean the glazing, DO NOT LIGHT IT ON FIRE! DO NOT LIGHT IT ON FIRE ! DONOT LIGHT IT ON FIRE!!!!! if you do your an idiot! and deserve the outcome
another thing you can do is take motor cleaner spray it on a rag and clean the tire in a scrubbing manner.
glazing is normal on the foam tires and it does happen to rubber on carpet the difference it rolls to the outside edges on radial tire. good luck!
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this will happen when the front tires slip to much. It will heat the tire up and cause this glaze

Try adding some steering via set-up. We had a lot of this with some VERY old carpet we had, we switched to a softer tire and that helped a lot.
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Old 04-30-2004, 09:14 AM   #5
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I have been taking my XXX-S to the track for about 4 months now. I have learned a great deal about setting up my car reading this thread. Thanks for all the advice and answers to my rookie questions. I am pretty satisfied with my cars current set up and I do not think the setup of my car is holding me back. It is almost entirely my driving that is holding me back, right now.

I am confident that with more practice I will steadily improve and refine my driving in general. I am just concerned about my slow rate of improvement.

My major obstacle, right now, to improved lap times is the turn(s) at the end of the long straight-aways.
I have a pretty good idea of the line I am supposed to follow through the corner.

My problem is both steering; the car is moving so fast that I can not time my turn correctly with any consistency.

and throttle control; it seems like the difference in the position of the trigger between too fast and too slow is so slight, that getting it right and coordinating it with turning is beyond my current ability. Even if there was a yellow mark on the track at the precise place I need to back off the throttle, getting my finger to reduce throttle at just the right time and the right amount is very difficult.
Maybe a year or two of repeated practice and developing a sub-conscious 'touch' is my only option. I just wish their was a faster way to develop skill, particularly with the problem I mentioned above.
I wonder if anyone has any other ideas on how to improve driving.

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NOTE: I know driving is a difficult thing to quantify or write about, I just think it odd some times, that advice and information about actual driving is only 1% and tech info about the car is 99%; while in real life it seems like driving skill has far more to do with actual results.
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Driving is MUCH more than 1%......

Try this, turn your EPA down on your radio to where you can only turn a circle with a diam. of around 6'.

Learn to drive that around the track.

A TC should not be able to turn a 2' circle.....
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My point in the note was if you go back through this thread you will see 99% of the posts are quetions and answers about improving the car.

and their is virtually no discussion of how to improve ones driving.
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AH......

Easy....

Practice and run with drivers that are faster....

Whatch the others lines, try to watch where thier cars are at during:
Entry , Mid-Corner & Exit...

Watch thier braking points.....

It is VERY hard to tell someone how to drive as it is a "FEEL" thing....

These are only only a few ideas, others may have some better ones......
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Well my advice is from a personal experiece. I to started my foam tire racing with Jack the Gripper. My car was great for a few laps and then would get really slimy feeling. My tires had the same glaze look that you are describing. I thought it was poor setup and spent some bench time on my car. The tires looked different from other racers tires after a run. My car was JUNK! I used the local tire combo and still no luck. A local fast guy came over and said that he used Paragon only on his tires. I trued up my tires to clean them up and then used the different traction compound....and BINGO. My car worked like never before and after the run the tires were not all glazed like they were melting...lol Ran the rest of the night and never glazed the tires....Jack the Gripper is now in the landfill... That would be my thoughts on your situation...sounds like simular problem I went through.

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I've been using the corally TC3 compound(stinky) and it works great for foams.
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