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Old 04-08-2010, 02:23 PM   #16
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I think given the fact that you're talking about FWD cars this is spec enough. These cars are inherently limited in their performance so anything outlandish would be indeed a waste of money. That's why you don't need to spec motors. Let everybody run whatever they want and they'll see it makes no difference very soon. As you pointed out, it is very easy to over motor a FWD car so I think in a very short time, people will just stop trying and settle to whatever works best and that'll just be equivalent to speccing the class.

Personally I don't think anymore than a 21.5 is necessary in these cars, except perhaps on some of the larger, more open tracks (we had an experienced driver run a fully loaded TA03F with a 17.5 in our 21.5 class and he didn't win).

Tires and all that is just not going to make an important enough difference and problems with supply, club rules, etc will just override any spec.

About wings, I think this may be counterproductive (rather than redundant and off-putting). I have raced my YR-F2 a few times and I think with a TC style wing it would cut down a bit of lift-off oversteer in fast corners.

My opinion is only weight, ride height and FWD are necessary specs. The rest is intrinsically limited.

And yes, I agree with the point made above. Have a look in the mini thread and you'll see people spending crazy money on their cars - all race legal - but not any faster (or necessary).
That's pretty much my thoughts on this topic too. With Tamiya bringing out the FF03, it's pretty much guaranteed that they'll bring out some TCS rules for the chassis as well. I think with those in place, just like mini coopers, they will end up as the de facto rule set used just about everywhere. If more companies bring out new FWD cars, maybe we'll need some other motor rules.
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Old 04-08-2010, 03:17 PM   #17
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Every time a new topic opens, there is somebody to complain about the lack of scale realism of our cars. As far as I'm concerned I'm just fine, and would never enter a class where I have to run a realistic body with no wing , chrome spoked wheels that make me look like a total redneck, etc. I like it looking like a model race car, and that's how model race cars look. I like running fuorescent bodies that look like a spaceship with a giant aerobrake at the rear and dish wheels cause it looks like a toy and the fact is I would be uncomfortable if people watching me play around thought that I made the car realistic cause I can't afford the real one.

The fact is I don't care about real cars. And since when do realistic bodies bring people to this hobby? Think of the success of Off road 1/8th...

Furthermore if you impose a limited number of so called realistic bodies everybody will soon know which one works best and here you go, everybody runs the same one, only different colors (if you're lucky).

Personnally I love the new FWD Sabre or Sword or Knife or whatever, but I will run one only if I can put a body that WORKS on it, with a REAL WING, that I can paint fluo yellow if I want. I 'm all for spec tires, spec/21.5 motors etc, that's just common sense, but to those who like to invent rules before they are even needed: just stay away from the bodies please.

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i am opposite of heretic. I buy these cars because they look like a scale model. I love the spoke wheels hate dish wheels.

First think I can think of is Tamiya. I love the detail they put in to the bodies that they make. This is the reason I buy the cars.
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Old 04-08-2010, 04:24 PM   #19
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good call

In the UK, I would guess 95% of our clubs run rubber tyres for a good reason!

However, I still race sedan at one of the remaining 5% of clubs that still race foam...

Slightly off topic I know, but I dont think your proposed class has space to see foam walk into it, no matter how standard/good it is to see the GT pan cars use foam.

rubber tyres would be the simplest tyre to get newcomers and veteran racers in the new class imho
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Old 04-08-2010, 05:43 PM   #20
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i am opposite of heretic. I buy these cars because they look like a scale model. I love the spoke wheels hate dish wheels.

First think I can think of is Tamiya. I love the detail they put in to the bodies that they make. This is the reason I buy the cars.
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I think your rules are too restrictive. Excessive restrictions just push people away from the class, or ends up increasing the amount people will spend on non-restricted parts, or a hauler full of different chassis to see which one works best. Have you seen the parts people buy to go racing in "spec" Tamiya classes? They have more money invested than I do in my "exotic" full-fat touring car.

What the USVTA rules have achieved is more realistic. Spec tyres, an approved list of bodies for the scale look (at standard TC dimensions), and a slow motor combination. At that level, carbon fibre and titanium screws make no difference.
TCS is probably the longest running SERIES to date (if someone can confirm? I think TCS started in 1995).... Longer than RCGT and USVTA combined. why reinvent the wheel.. once the class gets introduced into TCS.. wala.. there you go. use those rules...
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Old 04-08-2010, 11:29 PM   #22
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TCS is probably the longest running SERIES to date (if someone can confirm? I think TCS started in 1995).... Longer than RCGT and USVTA combined. why reinvent the wheel.. once the class gets introduced into TCS.. wala.. there you go. use those rules...
I still have an RC car action from Sept of 1994 that has an article on the TCS.
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TCS is probably the longest running SERIES to date (if someone can confirm? I think TCS started in 1995).... Longer than RCGT and USVTA combined. why reinvent the wheel.. once the class gets introduced into TCS.. wala.. there you go. use those rules...
That may very well be true, however TCS is mainly a marketing exercise for Tamiya and will exist as long as Tamiya wants. In the US you may not feel it, but downunder TCS has died long ago because of the local distributor (and Tamiya's exclusive deal with them).

Their rules are created then to serve their purpose mainly and I am not sure how readily they would fit the best interest of the larger public.
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Even though I own several Tamiya cars I don't particuly like the TCS because you can only use Tamiya cars. TCS to me is just advertising for Tamiya cars. I would prefer to have the ability to race different makes of cars that fit in the specific classes similar to what we have in TC. In TC you have Tamiya, HB, Xray, Yokomo, AE etc etc. In TCS you only have Tamiya....boring.
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If tamiya sponsors a race, why shouldn't be able to make the rules? The tcs is free, nobody forces you to enter. If you don't like the rules, don't race. But faulting tamiya for only allowing their cars, in their race, is wrong.

Doesn't the novak race only allow novak motors? Isn't that wrong too?

Their ball, their rules.
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The fact is I don't care about real cars. And since when do realistic bodies bring people to this hobby? Think of the success of Off road 1/8th...
To be fair though, 1/8th Buggy doesn't bring in new drivers from outside of the hobby. Its a popular class, but their new blood is brought in via drivers from existing RC classes.

1/8th Buggy doesn't have a single entry-level car on the market, just race chassis, or race chassis that are ready to run.
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Old 04-09-2010, 06:28 AM   #27
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If tamiya sponsors a race, why shouldn't be able to make the rules? The tcs is free, nobody forces you to enter. If you don't like the rules, don't race. But faulting tamiya for only allowing their cars, in their race, is wrong.

Doesn't the novak race only allow novak motors? Isn't that wrong too?

Their ball, their rules.
There's nothing wrong with tooting your own horn, just don't expect many people to like it or participate.

Oh and the thread title is FWD rules proposal, not Tamiya FWD rules proposal....
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Old 04-09-2010, 01:11 PM   #28
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I wanna drive my Corvette in SCCA's spec Miata but they won't let me
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Old 04-09-2010, 01:57 PM   #29
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I'd say RCGT rules

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I wanna drive my Corvette in SCCA's spec Miata but they won't let me
Wrong analogy...try again...

Spec Miata is a ONE CAR ONE MAKE series.

Tamiya doesn't have that type of series.

Try looking up BTCC or DTM or Lemans or WRC...I don't see all the cars being made by Toyota. LMFAO!!!

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