3LikesBMI Racing "Copperhead 12" discussion and support
07-21-2010, 11:04 AM
#361
All the cars out seem to have different hole patterns and screw sizes. I will make the sub plates to fit each car. The front end mounts to the 2 sub plates. If i make sub plates to fit each car that is in demand for our front end, all that would be needed that is different from the front end kit is the 2 small carbon fiber sub plates. I hope this makes sense. I will post better pictures soon so you can get a more visual understanding.
07-21-2010, 06:42 PM
#363
I know what you mean Jason. The front end doesn't bolt to the chassis, it bolts to the plates. Then the plates are bolted down to the chassis. So the only part that would be different would the plates. So with the right plate, the front end should fit ANY car on the market today, no matter what hole spacing and screw size it uses.
07-22-2010, 12:15 AM
#364
the front end does look very interesting indeed
and a 1:1 replacement for the asso style front end. I still use my RC10L2 so it should be a direct fit. It seems the pivotball housing is fixed with 2 small 2/52 screws that are threaded in the 3mm carbon arms? Is it possible to use small locknuts and longer screws to tighten down the pivotball housing?
I found that sometimes the carbon top layers will delaminate when a screw is threaded into it splitting the top layers apart. Also It should be just a little more sturdy in a crash? Just a thought.
I am not sure what difference there will be in handling (if any?) when the arms are more at an angle upwards or downwards when adjusting ride height? With full 1:10 pancar tires i gues the arms will be angled upwards to keep the chasis low enough and with smaller tires the arms go down at an angle? Would this mean i would have to set camber everytime i set my ride height? Just curious.
and a 1:1 replacement for the asso style front end. I still use my RC10L2 so it should be a direct fit. It seems the pivotball housing is fixed with 2 small 2/52 screws that are threaded in the 3mm carbon arms? Is it possible to use small locknuts and longer screws to tighten down the pivotball housing? I found that sometimes the carbon top layers will delaminate when a screw is threaded into it splitting the top layers apart. Also It should be just a little more sturdy in a crash? Just a thought.
I am not sure what difference there will be in handling (if any?) when the arms are more at an angle upwards or downwards when adjusting ride height? With full 1:10 pancar tires i gues the arms will be angled upwards to keep the chasis low enough and with smaller tires the arms go down at an angle? Would this mean i would have to set camber everytime i set my ride height? Just curious.
Last edited by 2wdrive; 07-22-2010 at 12:30 AM.
07-22-2010, 05:24 AM
#365
Thanks for the compliments guys. The front end will fit any car as long as you have the correct sub plates.
The lower and upper arm angle is important. This controls roll center. With the amount you will be adjusting your ride height with a given size tire, you really dont need to mess with it. You can always adjust it by shimming the upper plate for the upper arms(2 screws and it comes off) or you can shim under the lower arm pivot balls.
The camber does not need to be set with ride height changes. You really dont have drastic ride height changes. All of the adjustment you have on this front end are made the same as on a TC. If you go with drastic or radical changes anywhere, you will need to check camber and such.
The pivots are held in with 2-56 screws but are also not under much verticle load due to the design. The majority of the load is side load when you hit something and the housing is fully captured in the arm. The carbon fiber makes for a very nice locking thread and being that the thread is so fine of a pitch, it does not split the fibers. I paid close attention to the little details. You will all see when you assemble the front end.
The lower and upper arm angle is important. This controls roll center. With the amount you will be adjusting your ride height with a given size tire, you really dont need to mess with it. You can always adjust it by shimming the upper plate for the upper arms(2 screws and it comes off) or you can shim under the lower arm pivot balls.
The camber does not need to be set with ride height changes. You really dont have drastic ride height changes. All of the adjustment you have on this front end are made the same as on a TC. If you go with drastic or radical changes anywhere, you will need to check camber and such.
The pivots are held in with 2-56 screws but are also not under much verticle load due to the design. The majority of the load is side load when you hit something and the housing is fully captured in the arm. The carbon fiber makes for a very nice locking thread and being that the thread is so fine of a pitch, it does not split the fibers. I paid close attention to the little details. You will all see when you assemble the front end.
07-22-2010, 11:51 AM
#366
Has anyone tried pre-threading the carbon fiber with a tap?
07-22-2010, 12:13 PM
#368
That looks sick J, Can't wait for the finished product. 
07-22-2010, 12:56 PM
#370
Oh yeah! That looks great! Question...will the aluminum parts in the new front end and the conversion kits be available in the original color instead of the new copper? I'd like to get a complete 10 and 12 kit but I think I may need to start with just conversion kits...not sure yet.
07-22-2010, 01:04 PM
#371
07-22-2010, 02:48 PM
#373
I don't know, I think that one piece one will look SWEET in copper. 
Last edited by wingracer; 07-22-2010 at 04:37 PM.
07-22-2010, 02:57 PM
#375
Will do...I'm hoping to get the complete kits but I have some unexpected funds coming in so I am hoping to go to IIC again this year...So depending how much the unexpected money is will determine if I can get the full kits or the conversions.