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TOADYY 02-04-2019 07:53 PM

I think motor shims might work.

ShadowAu 02-04-2019 08:56 PM


Originally Posted by trilerian (Post 15389281)
Anyone know where to get .1mm hingepin shims for the front arms? Also .1mm kingpin shims for 1/8" kingpins.

Roche make a 0.1,0.2 and 0.3 set that will fit 1/8" kingpins. The label them as metric though and say they are M3.2

silden 02-04-2019 09:11 PM

We are using the XRAY shims they are machined and more repeatable.

phatboislim 02-05-2019 09:39 AM


Originally Posted by hanulec (Post 15389224)
12 minutes or less per set

so youre cutting at less than 40mm/set per run?

LloydLoar 02-05-2019 10:16 AM


Originally Posted by DesertRat (Post 15389228)
I'm in the camp of 16 gauge being enough for motor leads, no matter how hot of a motor.

You really need to use 14ga or larger with mod. I know people who have literally melted battery cases due to the heat of 16ga wires when running mod, and Hagberg insists that he fixed his fade issues from 2015 (I think?) snowbirds by changing from 16ga to 14ga.


Originally Posted by phatboislim (Post 15389668)
so youre cutting at less than 40mm/set per run?

You can go look at setup sheets to answer this question, but the answer is yes. Fresh cut tires for mod tend to be in the 39.5 range for fronts, and then 40.5 for rears, judging from most recent setup sheets. That doesn't say a lot due to variances in rim diameter between manufacturers, but the general idea is that (depending on compound) you will basically be one-running tires. I personally do one mod run, one 13.5 run, and then chuck 'em.

DesertRat 02-05-2019 10:17 AM


Originally Posted by phatboislim (Post 15389668)
so youre cutting at less than 40mm/set per run?

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.rct...3337e0138c.jpg

This picture is of a set of tires ready for one modified race. I think they're about 40.4 or 40.5mm. Modified power just burns the fronts off, with Mod using twice the battery power or more compared to Stock, and they're soft compounds because they give a better more forgiving feel than the harder front tires typically run in Stock.

DesertRat 02-05-2019 07:42 PM


Originally Posted by LloydLoar (Post 15389695)
You really need to use 14ga or larger with mod. I know people who have literally melted battery cases due to the heat of 16ga wires when running mod, and Hagberg insists that he fixed his fade issues from 2015 (I think?) snowbirds by changing from 16ga to 14ga.

I use larger gauge wire for the battery leads, but from the ESC to the motor the 3 strands of 16 gauge do fine.

DesertRat 02-06-2019 09:14 AM

In Mod, how much glazing do people get running SXT on black carpet? I've found that without a LONG soak, over an hour in some cases, my rear tires glaze over after a run time directly proportional to how long they had tire sauce soak into them. I've glazed over Pinks, Magentas, Greens, Blues, the Greens glaze less but it still takes a long soak. The car runs like a champ until it glazes over, but I had the same problem at both TQRC and 702.

There doesn't seem to be a downside to the long soak, some claim that too long of a tire sauce soak make it inconsistent or cause traction roll but this doesn't seem to be the case as long as you wipe the tires down some time before the race. It's just inconvenient, how you need to prep tires hours if not the day beforehand.

gubbs3 02-06-2019 10:01 AM


Originally Posted by phatboislim (Post 15389668)
so youre cutting at less than 40mm/set per run?

Wear is exponentially higher in mod. At USIC I cut ULTI JS (pink) rears to 40.4 and JM (mag) fronts to 39.2 and was getting 6-7 tenths wear. They were probably only good for 10 laps beyond race distance.

On black carpet going too tall the edges will start to peel or the front glue will sheer off and you'll wad up the car. At minimum if you rerun them the fronts will need the glue ground off and glued fresh. Hanulec is right about 12 min. Basically 2 6min practice runs, regluing between, or a short shakedown run on a used race set.

iTz Nicholas72 02-06-2019 11:39 AM

The CRC CK25 was worth a try, it drives really good but is a major PITA to work on and maintain.

Back to Roche! P12 Evo is calling my name

sdunnmcp 02-06-2019 11:44 AM


Originally Posted by DesertRat (Post 15390076)
I use larger gauge wire for the battery leads, but from the ESC to the motor the 3 strands of 16 gauge do fine.

I think you will be rethinking that when you stat running harder and putting more power down. 16G will unsolder from the esc.

biz77 02-06-2019 11:47 AM


Originally Posted by iTz Nicholas72 (Post 15390439)
The CRC CK25 was worth a try, it drives really good but is a major PITA to work on and maintain.

Back to Roche! P12 Evo is calling my name

Surprised to hear this as I own both cars. What did you find difficult on the CRC?

iTz Nicholas72 02-06-2019 12:22 PM


Originally Posted by biz77 (Post 15390448)
Surprised to hear this as I own both cars. What did you find difficult on the CRC?

The number of tools needed. 5 hex drivers and 2 nut drivers. I thought setting the ride height would be easier with slider rack but it ended up being more of a hassle for me. Set it to 4mm on guage and sometimes it was 3.6, maybe 3.4, or possibly 3.8.

I started with a Roche so I'm sure most of it is just the fact that's what I got used to.

DesertRat 02-06-2019 12:35 PM


Originally Posted by sdunnmcp (Post 15390442)
I think you will be rethinking that when you stat running harder and putting more power down. 16G will unsolder from the esc.

I took 7500+ milliamps out of the pack in 2 practice laps and then the 8 minute race when I hit the LiPo cutoff with half a lap to go, and the leads are still very much attached. The battery was warm, maybe 110 degrees F, the ESC was about 140, motor probably 125, wires just perceptively warm to the touch.

14 gauge wire cross section is 2mm square. 16 gauge is 1.3mm square. That's not a big difference. The wires are nice and short, and there are three of them! The battery leads, on the other hand, were 12 gauge, I think.

If people want to run larger wire, all power to them, but it's not going to kill you. I don't know, maybe I solder a little better than the average bear.

LloydLoar 02-06-2019 01:21 PM


Originally Posted by DesertRat (Post 15390476)
14 gauge wire cross section is 2mm square. 16 gauge is 1.3mm square. That's not a big difference.

Sure, it is only a ~63% difference in resistance.

I am glad to hear you haven't had issues with 16ga, but many of us have either had issues ourselves or witnessed other people have issues (look above re: melted battery case, etc.) You are more than welcome to tell people to 'git gud at soldering', but I personally will continue to recommend using (at least) 14ga wire.


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