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Old 01-29-2007, 11:51 PM
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Sorry but you don't have that all correct. Gil Losi, Jr. won the "85" worlds in Modified with a Yokomo Dogfighter. I have a professionally produced video from that race and I visited the "Ranch Pit shop" a couple of times and they used to show the actually winning car in a case as if straight off the track. Jay was using a special AE RC10 4wd that was actually never sold. The video had interviews and closeups of the cars. That is why AE doesn't give credit to Jr for the worlds.


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thanks for the correction, i thought it was Losi Jr. that was using the RC10 that was 4wd. but he did win as a AE driver just as other AE drivers have won in 4wd classes using non-AE cars.
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Old 01-30-2007, 01:03 AM
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Originally Posted by jrrc
See the 12th scale museum mentioned earlier for the first t-bar car, the "Delta Super Phaser". It was introduced by Delta Mfg. (in Iowa) for the first IFMAR 12th scale Worlds in 1982 (four years before the 12L)....which it won with Art Carbonnel driving. And yes, I was there.
I to was there an indapedent with a lighting 2000 it was fun to watch that final .
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Old 01-30-2007, 04:37 AM
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Originally Posted by dr_hfuhuhurr
I found this REALLY interesting. Do the front axles for this HPI car look familiar? Anyone with a GenX recognize them?

http://www.rc-car-museum.de/1_12_Mod...i_rs_12_g.html

I just hope that the CRC ones don't suffer from the same issue as the HPI one. The HPI assembly would develop a large amount of slop after a short period of usage.

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Old 01-30-2007, 06:59 AM
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Originally Posted by THE DARKSIDE
I just hope that the CRC ones don't suffer from the same issue as the HPI one. The HPI assembly would develop a large amount of slop after a short period of usage.

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Yup I brougth that up in the CRC thread here and on CRC's web site. They claim it will not though because CRC is using a stiffer plastic where HPI's plastic was very flexible.
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Old 01-30-2007, 07:59 AM
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Hi there i was wondering if you guys could help me ??

After an absence of 15 years, I going to start 1/12 scale racing again, using my original 12L which I purchase in 1990, Now I am looking to get some new tires for this car, but it seems now that you have to buy the wheels and tires as a package,

Is it possible for me to just get the tires only ???

And do the jaco wheels etc fit my car ??

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Old 01-30-2007, 08:03 AM
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I think either TM tires or maybe BSR tires are still molded for the two bolt hubs. I'm sure someone will post a link?
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Old 01-30-2007, 08:17 AM
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All things staying equal, what should a long t-bar (longer than a standard AE .075 t-bar) do for the handling of a 1:12 scale?
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you may want to ask Josh C. at CEFX about that one. i beleive the first CEFX C-12 had a longer t-bar like that of a 1/10th pan car.

when i was recently building up the latest C-12 with AE front, i noticed the t-bar was shorter than a 12th AE t-bar and the rear pivot was farther back. i also noticed more holes for other t-bar lenghts. so i emailed and got this response:

The C12 rear pod is much longer than an AE pod to allow for a larger range
of gear selections. With the pivot moved back, this gets the geometry back
correct so we have the shorter pod geometry. We have the other holes so you can use AE t-bars or the CEFX short, med, long. The kit now comes with the medium. The longer t-bar reacts slower and is easier to drive but lacks steering and a quick change of direction. It is very good on high speed, flowing tracks or ones that are really bumpy. The medium has a similar feel to driving an AE car. The short is really quick and almost twitchy to drive. It was intended for asphalt racing where sometimes you need to run a very short t-bar to generate enough steering and quick responce on a slippery surface.
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I was thinking that it would make it react slower, but just wanted to see what others thought. Thanks for sharing the info.
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I'm relatively new to 1/12 racing and was wondering how much exponential to dial in for ST and TH on a short carpet track running stock a stock motor. I'm using a JR XR3i for now. So far, I've been running ST and TH linear for the my first few races and plan to start using a little negative, maybe -20, on the steering to calm the car down a bit. But for throttle I'm not sure what will result in a faster car. My gut says go positive on the throttle. Any comments?
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I'm fairly new to 1/12th as well but I run only about 5-10% neg. expo on steering. I tried more but I really felt like I had to crank the wheel to get the car to turn in properly. The other thing I started running was creep. Just enough so the car will roll on its own at neutral. That was the number one thing that made me more consistent. Flow through the corners was much better and I could carry a lot more speed.
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I always believed that the 12'L' was because Gil Losi developed that car, but that it was because he was the first to put a Delta 'T-bar' rear end onto the Associated 'old-skool' front end, combined with the aforesaid wider stance to the chassis. Certainly I never saw such a combination raced, or pictured, anywhere, until Gil did it.

Yes, the C12 did have a different position for the rear T-bar pivot, but the T-bar was the same length as an Associated T-bar. We used to run our C12s with an AE T-bar and it ran better! The trick with the C12 was to lower the front wishbone pivots by 0.020", and then it really flew! However, no one is ever going to get a car to handle with semi-trailing front suspension, so the C12, and the new Corally SP12X won't feature against an AE dynamic strut front end - ask David Spashett!!
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Originally Posted by Apex
All things staying equal, what should a long t-bar (longer than a standard AE .075 t-bar) do for the handling of a 1:12 scale?
If all things were exactly equal, except for the length, I would suspect the car would be tighter. More weight transfer under power and deceleration. The car will flex more front to back and the result on the rear of the car would be the T-bar would feel thinner, side to side. More chassis movement. The center shock and spring would become more critical in the equation, and have a larger impact.
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Originally Posted by THE DARKSIDE
I just hope that the CRC ones don't suffer from the same issue as the HPI one. The HPI assembly would develop a large amount of slop after a short period of usage.

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on the hpi one's the king pin's are not threaded in so they got slopy fast.the gen x one's are threaded and set screwed.
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