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Old 02-10-2010, 07:02 PM   #436
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Simple solution, two TC classes, Novice, (beginner) and mod. Classes should be based on experience/skill level not motors. The qualifiers, already sort and put similar drivers together in their own heats based on their skill level. As your skill level improves you can add more motor to compete with the next higher skill group, if that is your motivation, with your ultimate goal being to compete with the top racers in the A main. If your comfort zone is to stay in the C or B main, then so be it. Nitro has got it right, the class is based on skill level.
Makes no sense to have a zillion TC classes, makes winning one of them pretty meaningless. Winning a full lower main has more meaning based on one's skill level, then winning a skimpy B or A main.
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Old 02-10-2010, 07:04 PM   #437
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Simple solution, two TC classes, Novice, (beginner) and mod. Classes should be based on experience/skill level not motors. The qualifiers, already sort and put similar drivers together in their own heats based on their skill level. As your skill level improves you can add more motor to compete with the next higher skill group, if that is your motivation, with your ultimate goal being to compete with the top racers in the A main. If your comfort zone is to stay in the C or B main, then so be it. Nitro has got it right, the class is based on skill level.
Makes no sense to have a zillion TC classes, makes winning one of them pretty meaningless. Winning a full lower main has more meaning based on one's skill level, then winning a skimpy B or A main.
There you have it folks. Well done...

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Old 02-10-2010, 07:13 PM   #438
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Makes no sense to have a zillion TC classes, makes winning one of them pretty meaningless. Winning a full lower main has more meaning based on one's skill level, then winning a skimpy B or A main.
+1... well said...
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Sounds good to me, I like it!!!

You can play with your esc timing and 17.5 turn motor all you like and race againt my 3.5...

Problem solved!!!
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Old 02-10-2010, 07:23 PM   #440
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Simple solution, two TC classes, Novice, (beginner) and mod. Classes should be based on experience/skill level not motors. The qualifiers, already sort and put similar drivers together in their own heats based on their skill level. As your skill level improves you can add more motor to compete with the next higher skill group, if that is your motivation, with your ultimate goal being to compete with the top racers in the A main. If your comfort zone is to stay in the C or B main, then so be it. Nitro has got it right, the class is based on skill level.
Makes no sense to have a zillion TC classes, makes winning one of them pretty meaningless. Winning a full lower main has more meaning based on one's skill level, then winning a skimpy B or A main.
Yup
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Old 02-10-2010, 07:30 PM   #441
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Simple solution, two TC classes, Novice, (beginner) and mod. Classes should be based on experience/skill level not motors. The qualifiers, already sort and put similar drivers together in their own heats based on their skill level. As your skill level improves you can add more motor to compete with the next higher skill group, if that is your motivation, with your ultimate goal being to compete with the top racers in the A main. If your comfort zone is to stay in the C or B main, then so be it. Nitro has got it right, the class is based on skill level.
Makes no sense to have a zillion TC classes, makes winning one of them pretty meaningless. Winning a full lower main has more meaning based on one's skill level, then winning a skimpy B or A main.
Just like gas TC. They all hual ass if you want it to. Novice, Sportsman, and Expert. Nice and simple
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Old 02-10-2010, 07:34 PM   #442
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Hard to understand how someone can find satisfaction beating the new guys...




I would love to race the fast sedan guys in the fast class (Mod Sedan) and beat them with the same satisfaction they get when they beat the new guys....
and yet you are no show for sedan summer sizzler 5 years in a row.


ps I lied about being done...
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and yet you are no show for sedan summer sizzler 5 years in a row.


ps I lied about being done...
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Old 02-10-2010, 10:07 PM   #444
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i sent monty a pm, that thread is not going to happen

maybe WE should have our own thread, I've gone back and forth with you more then cherry

as far as the rest of the guys, thier just pissed cause i want TRCR to be a Drug free zone and i threatened to expose there repeated trips to the parking lot.
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i sent monty a pm, that thread is not going to happen

maybe we should have our own thread, I've gone back and forth with you more then cherry
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Old 02-11-2010, 11:05 AM   #446
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Stock != new guy

Novice = new guy


Stock is a term made up by racing organizations.

I'm not saying that what is currently called stock isn't too fast, because its alot faster than it was a few years ago, and warp speed faster than 5-7 years ago.

Technology changes everything.

We have this discussion every so often.

By the way, to the person I can't remember who it was talking about Stock for the new guy and fixed timing endbells of old. I was there during that time, and even farther back when companies were increasing the fixed timing every so often, I still have some 18degree fixed stock motors. Your "cheater speed controls" of today can be compared to those of us that had the resources to buy all the gadgets to make fixed endbells go faster. Magnet Zappers, 4 different brush cutters, 6 different types of springs, and 4 different compounds of brushes. Not to mention a laptop and Fantom dyno as well. Were we cheating back then? No, nothing we did was against the rules, you just had to have more money to go fast in stock. Ask the battery guys and the 1200 SCR matching. Yes, we were faster than those that didn't have this technology.

So you see, it has happened before, it is happening now, and it will happen again.

Its actually easier to be more competitive in the Stock class today than it was back in the day.

Again, people need to get away from the perception that Stock = new guy.

Novice, Junior, Sportsman, Expert... call it what you will. The Racing Organizations just make up class terms, and their terms are used for the National level events they host. I highly doubt if you go to a ROAR regional race you will see a class called "Novice." Just like you won't see NASCAR have a division called "Beginner." People start in the classes that are presented to them on a club level and move up accordingly.

I'll use someone I race with the way they do things.

In Nashville they encourage VTA strongly. Most start in Novice and move up to one of 2 classes.. Junior or Sportsman. Junior is more for younger children, Sportsman for adults. Finally you go to Expert where most of the fast guys are. They have rules in place for the advanced timing speedos.

It is up to the club level organizers to promote and build novice classes that are fun and skill building. I know because we have been talking about it extensively at our club meetings. Our club has a novice class that basically has no motor limit so the kid that brings the HPI flux can race novice.. we just ask him to turn the speed down. Any onroad runs, we run minicoopers against x-rays. From there you have 2 choices. VTA at 21.5 or 17.5. One of the things discussed at our meetings was the unwillingness of people to move up to 17.5 because of the fast guys running in it. Solution? Create a division in the 17.5 ranks Sportsman and Expert. Hopefully it will work as the fast guys will run Expert and the new guys getting into it will run 17.5 Sportsman against each other. When they feel they have the skill and experience they can move to the Expert class. Or if they so choose they can run VTA. Only time will tell if this works, racing season starts Mid March.
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NASCAR does have a beginner class. Go to your local short track and watch the "street stock" class.

And if you're really brave, "spectator drag racing."
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This thread and every thread like it is useless because we can't agree on anything. Everyone has their own "perfect solution" (note: it's not!) and is unwilling to budge from that position. You have the just run mod group, the stock is a class not a skill level group, the ban technology group, the you can't ban technology group, and on and on. This is a waste of time because it's the same arguments over and over again. The only difference this time are the new adjustable timing speed controls.
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This thread and every thread like it is useless because we can't agree on anything. Everyone has their own "perfect solution" (note: it's not!) and is unwilling to budge from that position. You have the just run mod group, the stock is a class not a skill level group, the ban technology group, the you can't ban technology group, and on and on. This is a waste of time because it's the same arguments over and over again. The only difference this time are the new adjustable timing speed controls.
+1 maybe its time to close the thread.
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***YAWN***

There's a problem with the stock class? You mean the class with the most people in it? hmmmmmm
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