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Old 02-04-2010, 10:27 AM   #226
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I can can go about 2 months on a gallon. If you by it in 4 gal packs you can get it for less. Like Maxys sells 20% for 85.

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The $500 tc's don't help.

hb D8 300
Vpec 300
Hitec 7985 and 5625 170
RX 100
fuel 30
total 900

T3 500
10.5 Team Orion 100
Sphere TC 200
Hitec 5645 55
2 lipos 150
rx 100
total 1105
Talk about a lop sided comparison. Why not plug the XB808 at $650 into your off-road equation!

PS - If you're spending $100 on an Orion 10.5 you're getting rump raped by someone.
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Old 02-04-2010, 10:41 AM   #228
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The $500 tc's don't help.

hb D8 300
Vpec 300
Hitec 7985 and 5625 170
RX 100
fuel 30
total 900

T3 500
10.5 Team Orion 100
Sphere TC 200
Hitec 5645 55
2 lipos 150
rx 100
total 1105
Of course, you don't have to buy a $500 TC. Since we're talking "Stock Class", I modified a few items (plus added a few that were missing) for you:

hb D8 300
Vpec 300
pipe 75
Hitec 7985 and 5625 170
RX 100
Rx battery 30
voltage regulator 30
fuel 30 - of course, this cost never ends...
premount tires (4) 75
total 1110

T2R 275
17.5 Trinity/Epic Duo2 75
Tekin RS 175
Hitec 5645 55
1 lipo 75
rx 100
Jaco Blues (4) 30
total 785
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Old 02-04-2010, 11:04 AM   #229
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Of course, you don't have to buy a $500 TC. Since we're talking "Stock Class", I modified a few items (plus added a few that were missing) for you:

hb D8 300
Vpec 300
pipe 75
Hitec 7985 and 5625 170
RX 100
Rx battery 30
voltage regulator 30
fuel 30 - of course, this cost never ends...
premount tires (4) 75
total 1110

T2R 275
17.5 Trinity/Epic Duo2 75
Tekin RS 175
Hitec 5645 55
1 lipo 75
rx 100
Jaco Blues (4) 30
total 785
You don't need a regulator, 99% of lipos won't fit a D8. And you can get a set of premounts for 65 and a pipe for 50. My LHS was selling Team Orion 105 for 100. A 13.5 ss goes for 80 at the LHS. Plus with that T2r gone add 40 for the turnbuckles.
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The $500 tc's don't help.

hb D8 300
Vpec 300
Hitec 7985 and 5625 170
RX 100
fuel 30
total 900

T3 500
10.5 Team Orion 100
Sphere TC 200
Hitec 5645 55
2 lipos 150
rx 100
total 1105

why compare the cheapest 1/8 to the most expensive 1/10, go the other way around, xray 1/8 to HB 1/10


and if you paid 100 bucks for a 10.5 you need a good slapping. you only need one lipo the rx came with the radio, and if you using crytals, that about 25.00 for darn near any rcvr. those lipos will last longer then 5 gallons of fuel so thats mute. anyone else wanna try a honest attempt at comparing
just messing with ya..
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You don't need a regulator, 99% of lipos won't fit a D8. And you can get a set of premounts for 65 and a pipe for 50. My LHS was selling Team Orion 105 for 100. A 13.5 ss goes for 80 at the LHS. Plus with that T2r gone add 40 for the turnbuckles.
your local hobby shop is a rip off, 10.5 and 13.5 should be same price
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If you have a $400 radio, a $500 touring car, a $300 speed control, and all the top motors and batteries you can get, you have no business running in Sportsman!!!.
aahh.. thats total bullcrap. How expensive your gear is has NOTHING to do with what class you should be in. For example, i got my girlfriend into the hobby, so we race together. I have NO problem buying her the best of the best. When she started (just last year) I started her out on an Xray 09, Futaba 3pk, Tekin RS esc, etc. Why? because A) I wanted her to have a similar setup to my own so I would have an easier time helping HER get setup, and 2 she would have great gear she could grow into as she improved around the track.

Does that mean she should of been running mod her first time driving an RC car EVER? (she couldn't go one lap without crashing). the answer is of course "no".

So your statement is rediculous.
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Old 02-04-2010, 12:39 PM   #233
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coming on RCTech and saying that STOCK is too fast. What they are really saying is that they want everyone else to go slower.
aint' that the truth!
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Can't argue a beginner will also have to buy the same expensive gear as the guys who have been racing intermediate for years in order to feel competitive...
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Actually I was comparing gas onroad to electric onroad. I remember going through 1/2 - 3/4 of a gallon for gas sedan on a 200 x 70 track. This includes practice, 3 quals and a 30-40min main.

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Can't argue a beginner will also have to buy the same expensive gear as the guys who have been racing intermediate for years in order to feel competitive...
Until, there are no more beginners.
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Beginner’s viewpoint here--- for what its worth:

New guys like me (well some, not all) just want to race with a group of folks of roughly the same skill level and have fun learning to drive and tune the car….wait for it…...while going as fast as possible and being competitive within reason. It makes sense to me to have three classes for TC:

1.) “Stock” or pick a new name, although XX.5 works fine. A slower class for real beginners based on some relatively level technological or mechanical playing field. Motor, Esc, tires, pick one--- just not chassis. People like to be able to choose the manufacturer to run and may want to upgrade components as they get better.
2.) 13.5 [or XX.5] whatever…everyone runs together. Have two mains A for fastest, B for slowest. There are great inherent learning opportunities with lap traffic. Teaches fast ones how to successfully pass slower ones - adds some strategy as well. Teaches slower ones how to stay out of the way of faster ones. Everyone drives better… This works in real racing environments – ALMS for example. Last race I went to I was the #1 novice, but finished 4th or 5th overall in a 17.5 race. I had fun chasing the fast guys, flowing their lines, getting faster lap times.
3.) Mod. No explanation needed. For anyone who wants to go faster than class #2.

There, simple, solved.

Back to reality - No matter what the ultimate solution is, I did not get into RC racing to go slower than I am going now. I’ll let you guys sort it out and I’ll go back to prepping for this weekend’s race where I hope to have my car at least within a lap of the intermediate guys and my lap times are better than last race. That would make me happy.

Cost of cars: I just don’t see that as a real barrier. Beginners somehow believe it in their hearts (why? not sure..) that if they don’t have a $500 car, they can’t be competitive amongst their skill level peers. I have the disposable income to buy a NIB T3, but chose not to. I bought good electronics for a $100 8 year old car that I can migrate to that new whiz bang car – when I feel my current car is hindering my ability to grow.

I guess it is all how ya view it.
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Racing organizations and Race promoters really need to redefine the rules in the Slowest class in sedan racing... 2 years ago it was 13.5 until everyone figured out how to gear the motors with the old speed control and an adjustment was made with 13.5 moved from stock to super stock and 17.5 motors created as the new stock class... I say speedo's need to be added to the mix when creating rules for the 17.5 to maintain a reasonable entry point for beginners since this class is suppose to be the slowest class... Another benifit would be Speed controls would have a competitive shelf life longer than a few weeks wich is what pretty much what just happened recently....
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Until, there are no more beginners.
(this is not directed at NovakTwo...your post just made me think )

That describes the paradox that is "spec" racing.

I like what Novak has done and like the looks of the new Speed Passion. BUT when I see some, not all, guys who swear that racing is too expensive and stock/spec racing needs to be cheaper...they are the same ones with driving an Xray T3.

Cheap is one thing...

Equal racing is another...

Some equate slower classes and less expensive racing...they are not always the same...

So the fact that the Novak Havoc combo is cheap is just a plus. But if your are putting it into you $500 chassis with $300+ radio and using a $100 battery....?

When you are racing a "true spec" class and Joe is beat by Jim and he peeks over into Jim's pit and sees $1500 in equipment...then he sits back down and looks at his $150 plastic car...it's likely that he will start to think he can't compete. That negates the whole help the newbie get into racing for cheap idea. I have yet to see a thread saying lets put down our high end TC's and run TT01's.
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Personally I've never encountered a beginner who thought they needed the best equipment to win.

Beginners are usually oblivious to equipment. We can influence by telling them its about driving and not about equipment in order to win races.

Later, once their skills improve, will they find out that equipment is limiting their potential. But by that time they are hooked and will pay no matter how expensive racing is hehehe.

But to tell them they need $1,000 equipment to win even before they have joined their first race is disastrous and a big turn off.

Ahh weekend is here, time to race.
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