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SirSpeedy 09-05-2001 01:48 PM

AE-

That car has the standard setup on it. The one with Red springs and 80wt. That is the setup you should start with. Good Luck. If you have any questions about that car, just ask Chris Seeba. He races at your track.

johnbull-

I am not sure if PW knows that RCTouring went down, but I will tell him to check this out when I talk to him next. PW is the current Team Manager for Schumacher USA, and doing his fair share of racing as well.

Later...

AE_Racer 09-05-2001 01:55 PM

ok thanks, I was planning on running the red springs...

PW 09-05-2001 06:12 PM

Hey Joe,

It's great to see you guys are still at it!!! It sounds like racing is really going well in Malta.

I'm now working for Schumacher USA doing sales, tech support and team manager. I also try and race when I can, but it's tough after working with R/C all week....hehe I also got married last October and thats been awesome!

Pass the thread along to Josh...

Schumacher USA
PW

Kevin K 09-06-2001 09:27 AM

Hey guys check out Schumachers home page......the NEW car is there.....cant wait to see it at the show.

Taz_S 09-06-2001 10:05 AM

http://www.racing-cars.com/IMAGES/MISSIO~61.JPG

where it is

http://www.team-orion.ch/global/global_news.asp?id=926

http://www.racing-cars.com/newsdetails.asp?itemId=NP21

rpm2night 09-06-2001 10:52 AM

Have the Team Drivers been using this car? It says that it will be out in October but has there been any testing prior to its release?

Given how different the new car will be, I take it that there is no chance in hell for an upgrade kit.

Racer X 09-06-2001 11:25 AM

It is my understanding that there won't be a car at the Chicago show to see, just pictures. No US testing will be done before its release in Oct, all testing will be done in Europe. Theres more information, but I don't know if I can give it out yet...

Racer X 09-06-2001 12:32 PM

Well since its all out now, here:




New Schumacher TC


The new revolutionary Mission is born from the
same stable as 9 times USA National
Champion the SST. Developed in England
using the highest quality components the
Mission will be the most adjustable and
tuneable touring car on the market today. The
Mission boasts a new high specification
including Alloy Motor Mount, tungsten carbide
diff and thrust balls and alloy shocks. It is
also the first car on the market to have
adjustable internal ratio (1.8:1 or 2.1:1) using
the new revolutionary belt system. Its features
include:

-NEW twin track, ballraced, limited slip ball differentials

-Now with tungsten carbide balls as standard! ~ Offers long
life with super smooth running, low rotating mass for fast
acceleration.

-NEW variable internal ratio (1.8:1 or 2.1:1) ~ This unique feature
allows your gear ratio to be optimised to your motor wind, for both
short technical circuits & fast open circuits.

-NEW rear inboard toe-in options ~ For excellent traction on slippery
surfaces.

-NEW front inboard toe-out options ~ For more front end bite on
slippery surfaces.

-NEW dual belt zero angled transmission ~ Ultimate efficiency,
therefore faster runs with greater duration.

-NEW large differential & layshaft pulleys ~ To minimise belt
loading without the belt jumping, maximises belt efficiency.

-NEW purple alloy motor mount ~ Strength & heat dissipation.

-NEW 24 piece ball bearing set ~ Ultra low rolling resistance,
includes ballraced steering!

-NEW Front & rear anti-roll (sway) bars included.

-NEW body mounting system ~ Offers even better body stability.

-NEW low friction belt tensioner ~ Accurate belt adjustment.

-NEW lightweight foam bumper ~ Weight saving protection.


The Mission will be available in two versions, S1 and Carbon Fibre
and will be available in late October.


Look CLOSELY at the drive belts in this picture:

http://www.team-orion.ch/news/images...sion-trans.jpg

AE_Racer 09-06-2001 02:01 PM

whoa, wait a second, you mean, there is two pulleys on the rear diff, or am I looking wrong? It looks to me like the belt to the front is rolling on a pulley on the rear diff....hmmm

axisman 09-06-2001 05:35 PM

looks as close to single belt drive as you can get. way to go schumacher.

cornerspeed 09-06-2001 06:36 PM

WOW, are we ready for this. Hell yes, I am. Current car is great, but this new TC has got to be it. Everyone has got to be excited.

Darkseid 09-06-2001 07:35 PM

Schumacher definitly isn't one for resisting change. I willing to bet that this will be another National champion. It just doesn't seem to matter how many drivers they lose to Yokomo, Losi, and Associated, the team just keeps winning. The car looks nice, I have no doubt it will handle well.

axisman 09-07-2001 07:32 AM

cornerspeed, will you get a car before the fall classic? ordered mine yesterday. cant wait till drivers like your-self and racerx start to race them, this site is going to get big, real fast. see you in a couple of weeks.:D

Ty 09-07-2001 10:51 AM

AXISMAN,
How much was the new Schumacher Mission car? And which version do you have fiberglass or graphite? Does the graphite one come with any extras like threaded shock bodies?

cornerspeed 09-07-2001 11:10 AM

axisman- I probably wont have the car by then. I will get the car the same time everyone else will. I have been analyzing the pictures very close. It looks like the upper suspension mounts will bolt the trans housing down and seperate holes on the upper trans housing to lock the upper deck. I like that. Layout will be close to the 99 car as far as chassis flex which is another plus. They really did thier homework on this one.

axisman 09-07-2001 11:56 AM

ty; called schumacher yesterday and placed my order, (got the c/f chassie) schumacher did not ask for deposit and i did not ask how much.(to scared to ask!!!). paul said the shocks are alloy but not threaded. i would invest in the threaded shocks. however i am not the person to ask about what the car will need. stay tuned to the site, the people that know, will let us all know. (nice thing about owning a shuie).

MattW 09-07-2001 12:06 PM

Transmission - For those of you that aren't sure
The long belt runs from front to rear diff. The rear diff is twin track therefor the short belt then runs from layshaft to rear diff. This means there is only one pulley on the layshaft. The only downside to this is loosing the ABS.

Cornerspeed, I think you are correct that there are long screws through bulkhead into transmissions. Then the top deck screws to the bulkheads. It is believed that this will minimise the possible tweak.

The only differences between the 2 versions are the chassis/mount materials.

The car is due end of October in the UK. I guess it will be about a week after that in the US.

The UK prices are £209.99 S1, £259.99 Carbon. This compares to £169.99 for the current Axis 2.

che 09-07-2001 01:05 PM

New Mission.
 
I believe they are also calling the Graphite kit the 'PRO Kit' and include extras such as sway bars, etc.

Racer X 09-07-2001 01:10 PM

Retail for the Pro will be $279.99, didn't get a retail for the S1 car, but it should be about the same as the current car (I THINK its $229.99). Keep in mind that the new car, in both forms, now INCLUDES the alloy motor mount (and the sway bars and BB steering and TC diff balls) so even if it is slightly more expensive, it will probably cost less once you hit the total key.

johnbull 09-07-2001 02:33 PM

ATTENTION PAUL WYNN.

Hi Paul,

Good to see you got my message.

Glad to see you have come up in the Rc world, and yes I did hear you were married - that's amazing isn't it from so far across the globe. News travels!!!

I was dumbstruck just this evening. Josh only did 2 or 3 meetings last year - other interests taking precedence. He plays lots of rugby. He has taken his driving licence, inherited my Mini Cooper S - not the one in the avatar - that's the one I race at present, and has already written it off and is busy building another one.

Well I started driving RC - remember I am now 55 - some 3 or 4 years ago, and I am always busy preparing peoples cars, selling bits etc.

Well just this afternoon as I was preparing my bits to go down to the track, Josh got his TC3 out of the cupboard, dusted it down and came along with me. I couldn't believe it. He was mighty quick straight away too. Now I need some of his mates to persuade him to do the forthcoming championship.

It's almost midnight here and I have just come to the shop to pull his TC3 apart and do some work on it. It certainly needs it, having been left standing for so long.

Anyway good to hear you're OK. Despite the heart bypass and all the other ailments I'm still pretty well and active. The model car business is good. I still do quite a bit with Schumacher, though I don't sell many of their cars - the MR4 and the TC3 are the cars people want out here. However the new Mission looks interesting.

Keep in touch.

Joe from sunny Malta.

MDawson 09-07-2001 10:23 PM


Originally posted by cornerspeed
WOW, are we ready for this. Hell yes, I am. Current car is great, but this new TC has got to be it. Everyone has got to be excited.
Don,

Heading down to San Diego this weekend. Any racing going on down there????

Let me know.

Later

AE_Racer 09-08-2001 08:59 AM

well, I raced last night...red springs, both oneways, takeoff CS27s

1st heat: was doing good, only me and an HPI sport on the track(Everybody else wrecked out I guess), come out on front sttretch, car just stops sorda like its glitching, turnmarshal picks it up, seees nothing wrong...so i take my car back to pit, run to turnmarshal for next race, go back, take out motor, nothing wrong, then look over car, front belt IS FLIPPED OVER! so, I get it fixed...finished 2nd BTW

2nd heat: start out first and runaway with it, easy win

B Main: qualified 2nd, there was another Axis 2 and a really hooked up MR4, they just left from me and never returned, finished 3rd....

Now, this was my first race with that car, and with a car with oneways, I look forward to my next race!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Schumacher Are I GOD! :p

Racer X 09-08-2001 09:39 AM

AE: Time to change the name...and congrats. It only gets faster from here

AE_Racer 09-08-2001 10:41 AM

bwahahah...change my name?? nah, this has always been my name, even when I had just my Atlas, oh, andybody have an extra Axis 2 they would trade for a YM34? :D

Ivan 09-08-2001 06:06 PM

Time to get the MISSION.

Anyone wants a SST99Pro?

Masato 09-09-2001 12:53 AM

AdrianM-

I can't believe the great news from Schumacher USA. A new TC on the way and now the distributor for the Cross Racing Fire Force. I just started racing the Cross F1 a few weeks ago and it was a blast! Parts availability was one of the major concerns for me when I was making the decision whether to try the Cross.
Please tell me that the hop-up parts for the Fire Force will be available through Schumacher USA as well. :D

Questions on the SST Mission Pro TC-
Will any of the Axis 2 parts fit the Mission? Front-one way, threaded shocks, alloy hub carrier, etc...?

Looking forward to more great news!
Thanks,
Brad "Masato" Murata

Corey Bernardo 09-09-2001 08:56 AM

Masato- You will be able to use the following: threaded shock bodies, arms(f/r), if you are talking about the front one-way diff, then yes.

STLNLST 09-09-2001 07:47 PM

Racer X- Good run last night. Sorry about your car. If that happened to my chassis someone would die! That's $70 plus down the drain not to mention all of the parts in the front that were broken. Just be thankful that you weren't running my car. My chassis cost $147.....LOL See you in about two weeks. I'm taking next week off.

AdrianM 09-10-2001 06:56 AM

The SST Mission Carbon and S1 will be available at the end of
October.

K026 SST Mission S1 $229.99
K027 SST Mission Pro $279.99

Everyone at Schumacher UK and USA are very fired up about this car. We are all certain that this is the very best touring we have ever released.

Masato-We will have all the hop ups. They will be here in ~2weeks. We had several samples of the FireForce at the Chicago Show. 2 Stock and 2 Full Option. The stock cars were very impressive and the full option cars were out of this world!

TimPotter 09-10-2001 07:16 AM

Adrian,

in looking at the picture of the mission, a fair amount of parts look like they came from the Axis 2 bin, will you guys be offering a chassis conversion kit, or are they too far apart ? ..

Also the Cross car ? It will be there in two weeks ? or the hop ups will ? I have been holding off getting a cross becuase nobody in the states has a good supply of parts.... thanks again to schumacher...

MattW 09-10-2001 10:47 AM

Masato/Corey, I would assume that you can't use the current one-way front as the pulleys are different. Adrian could you confirm??

che 09-10-2001 10:57 AM

Carry Over Parts.
 
I believe the only carry over parts from the Axis2 are the wishbones, hub carriers and hex adapters and shocks.

The new car uses 2 different ratio's and has different diff's, and I believe you cannot use the current one-way!?

However, the new diffs finally use standard size diff balls!

Che Baird
Racing-Edge

AE_Racer 09-10-2001 12:06 PM

Man, I finally get an Axis 2 and Schumacher decides to release something else...Guess that's my luck :cry:

Racer X 09-10-2001 12:28 PM

All of the suspension parts cross over including the shock towers. It's only the chassis and drive line thats all new (possibly new bulkheads too). The diffs, however, are completely new (being part of the drive line) as the one ways won't cross.

MattW 09-10-2001 01:14 PM

Racer_x shock towers/bulkeads are new - only 1 screw holding the mounts on, but located by 2 locators

Corey Bernardo 09-10-2001 01:48 PM

yea the shocktowers look the same, but they have a slight difference.

minicooper 09-10-2001 01:50 PM


Originally posted by AE_Racer
Man, I finally get an Axis 2 and Schumacher decides to release something else...Guess that's my luck :cry:
Tell me about it!!!! Just learning to set it up and now a new car :cry: :flaming: :cry:

madmaxtc 09-10-2001 09:58 PM

:( Man talk about luck, i just ordered an axis 2 the day before the mission was on schueys page. oh well. i am just wondering if any brand of body fits better or worse on the axis 2. i used to run a pro 2 and protoform bodies didnt fit so well along with some others. thanks

che 09-11-2001 06:05 AM

Bodies
 
We have always run Protoform bodies on our Schuie's.
Particularily the Stratus (of course), 300m, or the new Volvo S60.

They mount and fit great!

Che
Racing-Edge.com

AE_Racer 09-11-2001 07:07 AM

I just painted up a HPI MR-S GT for mine..since its 200mm, its a little off but it works fine..Painted it just like the JGTC car, to go along with my BTCC Mondeo :D


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