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Old 06-29-2002, 11:10 AM   #631
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Speedo, I was told by PorscheSuperCup that some people are getting packs that won't take a charge.
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Old 07-01-2002, 04:54 AM   #632
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Old 07-01-2002, 11:13 AM   #633
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I have been reading your previous post, and I was just wondering if anyone of you use a Tekin BC112 type of charger for your 3000 packs. I have the BC112C with H30 software, according to Tekin it is compatible to charge 3000 packs. My first 3000 is an Orion 3000H match pack. I was able to charge it with the P0 setting on the charger. I only run the battery once a week. The last time I charged it, I noticed that the battery was hot after the charge (4amp charge). It never became that hot before, so I am afraid that I may have damaged my cells. Before I buy another 3000 pack either the HV or the new Stock Metal, has anyone had problems charging these types of cells with the Tekin or would I have to purchase another charger to charge HVís or the Stock Metal. If so, I was considering on the Reedy Quasar Pro or either the Ionic or the Millennium Pro from Novak. I would appreciate any opinions or suggestions that you may have.
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First off. The new REEDY charger is a great unit to get it has discharge and ac/dc wich the novak does not. IT cost more but the novak needs a powersupply so its probably cheaper to go with the reedy in the long run.


If your buying new batteries today. I think most would agree that the SANYO 3000HV (not "H") are the best buy. They are much more rubust then panosonic (for that matter sanyo always have been) Also the new HV cells will charge on almost all peak detection chargers. Since they share the same delta peak needs as nicads do .07v .. I would say that 99% of the time you can get away with a non-nihm charger. I have charge the HVs on the tekin bc100l and bc110. Also on the early versions of the apex sigma cahrgers. I currently run a T35 wich is programble and overkill for most. But with a properly programmed charge the 3000Hv come off hot. And acording to Danny of SMC RACING they should get hot for max performance.

If you for what ever reason must have panosonics then be prepared to buy a nihm compatible charger since they require a lower delta peak then nicads and HV cells. Settins of around .02 to .04 to safely charge them. Something a regular charge can not adjust for.
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Old 07-01-2002, 05:23 PM   #635
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Thanks for the advice RC nitro.
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Old 07-01-2002, 11:12 PM   #636
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Thanks for the advise on the Sanyo 3000HV's. It seems like the HV's are more robust than any other 3000 packs out there when it comes to charging them. The 3000H pack that I have is a bit old, so I was looking at buying either the 2400's or 3000HV's for stock sedan racing. I just wanted to make sure that I don't damage another pack, due to the type of charger that I have. Thanks again for the advise.
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Old 07-01-2002, 11:50 PM   #637
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Me too! I have like 12Pack Sanyo 3000H and don't seem to have enough punch any more! I have it for almost 2 years now!! I think it time to me to get my self a new HV pack!

But I think..if I race on MOD class ..those old pack will work just find I think (Do you think??) I can run like 6Min on my TC3 with 10 Double.

But..I know for sure that the new 3000HV will help me on Stock class...!!!!

It's time for me to get my self 4 new 3000HV pack!! $$$

Who want to buy my old one??
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Old 07-02-2002, 11:47 PM   #638
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But..I know for sure that the new 3000HV will help me on Stock class...!!!!
For stock and mod sedan I would recommend the Panasonic SMH/UMH's for the fact they have a lower, much lower IR which means you'll have more punch at the beginning to middle of a race. Some people say the HV's are good for mod sedan for the fact that they have an overall higher voltage than the panasonics but it's only like a tenth of a volt and that's just when they peak. I like the punch the SMH/UMH's give especially if your track has alotta first turn pylups. The HV's would probally be best for Oval.

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Old 07-02-2002, 11:50 PM   #639
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Anyone got any info for battery bars. Has anyone had any bad results with the gold plated bars, silver plated, copper? What seems to be best for you?
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Old 07-03-2002, 05:36 AM   #640
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Personally I think anything beyond a silver coating is overkill.

Get the ones with kinks in them - I personally used the Orion "Bones" last time round, but I think Reedy amongst others make kinked bars.
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Proudwinner: Like sosidge, they are all about the same. Presently using SMC and Deans, what LHS stocks. I opened a pack of bars last night, deans, and the silver had tarnished on 4 of the 7 bars. FYI. Came clean with silver cleaner.

I track my charge and discharge numbers. I charge and discharge with a turbo 35 stealth. I have H, HV, Pana, and SMH. HV and H give the best voltage and the SMH give the longest runtime. Blue Panasonics just plain suck! I run stock, TC3 & X-Ray. Here is the data for those with questions. This is charge #'s only.
#1 Racers Edge Sanyo H; #2 Blue Panasonic; #3 & 4 Peak world class Sanyo HV; 5, 6,& 7 ProMatch Sanyo HV; 8 Promatch Sanyo HV
H Peak charge Volt 9.29 9.30 9.30 9.28 9.28 9.35
1 mA Hr 3043 2622 2587 2739 2714 2772

Pana Peak charge Volt 8.92 9.02 8.97 8.91
2 mA Hr 2568 2838 2562 2579

HV Peak charge Volt 9.24 9.38 9.26 9.33
3 mA Hr 2954 3047 2902 3205

HV Peak charge Volt 9.29 9.37 9.26 9.38 9.32
4 mA Hr 3154 3063 2923 3090 3032

SMH Peak charge Volt 8.97 9.01 8.95 9.00 8.98 8.96 8.99 8.96
5 mA Hr 3199 3179 2980 2963 3203 3217 3115 2439

SMH Peak charge Volt 8.97 8.99 8.95 9.07
6 mA Hr 3247 3176 3085 1787

SMH Peak charge Volt 9.00 9.03 9.02 9.02 8.99 8.98
7 mA Hr 3019 3046 3039 2968 3054 2414

HV Peak charge Volt 9.24 9.37 9.28
8 mA Hr 2996 3103 2927
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Old 07-03-2002, 12:22 PM   #642
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Why didn't you list the IR's for all the batteries, I know the sanyo's have a higher IR than the panasonic's. I remember my brand new SMC 3000HV's having an IR of like 24-26. This was their top of the line packs and I only had a total of 3 cycles on them.
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Proudwinner: I been sick with the flue, sorry for the later responce. I will post all the data tonight. It is in a spreadsheet at home. IR's are all low on the SMH. I have ~15 cycles on the packs now as I race oval TC with the SMH and asphalt with the HV.
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I just bought myself a new 3000HV and like to get it ready to race this weekend but..I'm not sure what should I do to have it up to the max power then?? here is the # on it..

1.14V @30Amp 6AM charge ...

any how..I have Turbo 35BL and wondering if i should cycle it like 3 times at 6Amp charge and 30 amp discharge (off roade mode)?? Will this help ?? I like to keep this pack to the max performance for my stock...and for a long time!
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There shouldn't be any need to cycle the pack before use - it's already been cycled as part of the matching process.

I have heard reports of 3000's false peaking for the first few charges for some people (not me), so keep an eye on that.
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