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Old 09-04-2001, 07:59 AM   #16
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I think Orion uses a matching equipment similar to the old Lavco machines. Most if not all of the matchers in the U.S. use the one from C.E.. You will and can find differences in voltage between the machines.
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Old 09-04-2001, 09:08 AM   #17
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Sleek: I think they will end up being similar to the SMH cells. I just hope that the competitiion with bring down the cost of the SMH and HV cells at the same time. Right now I can still purchase two matched 2400 packs for the price of one SMH pack. I just can't justify passing up on two packs to get one. Besides that, I haven't really seen NiMH batteries make an impact on the local level around here. Pretty much everyone still runs NiCD batteries. So I haven't seen anything yet, that says I need to up for a new charger and stop using NiCD 2400 packs.
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Old 09-04-2001, 12:26 PM   #18
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My suspision is that the new Sanyo will be slightly better than the SMH, just like the first Sanyo is a little better than the ORigional Panasonic. If this is the case then it won't be that important to have them over the SMH. I am very wary about pre production graphs that Orion show us after the origional RC2400.

I would guess that they will be availably at around the end of the year. Which would mean that they would come out around 1 year after the SMH. Hardly a new cell every week now is it.
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Old 09-04-2001, 12:53 PM   #19
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I use sanyo 2000's in mod at my local track with anything from an 8 dbl to 11dbl and make at least five minutes of run time. Some guys have brand new 3000's and it doesnt seem to be any sort of advantage. Im planning on buying some new packs to be competitive at national level events. I remember paying about $80 bucks for good Sanyo SCRC 1700 packs 10 years ago so i cant say that these battery wars are getting expensive. It seems that we are getting better performing product at the same price. We used to buy new stock motors every couple of weeks before rebuildables and now ppl are getting 6 months out of them.
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Old 09-04-2001, 01:22 PM   #20
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$82 for 6-cell Promatch top of the line SMH cells. I jsut got 4 packs today and now I plan on buying some of their Middle Grade batteries as soon as I well one of my 9 computers . Comparing all the cost of the SMH from all the other matchers Proatch was cheapest out of all of them by at least $10. 340+ 1.14+ voltage and 16 - 18 for IR.

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Old 09-04-2001, 02:54 PM   #21
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I would guess that they will be availably at around the end of the year. Which would mean that they would come out around 1 year after the SMH. Hardly a new cell every week now is it.
Yes, I too want to put in quarantime the values showed by the famous photo in the Team Orion website until I can test a pack with a TM4. Until this moment I stick to my SMH packs.

According to Team Orion discharge graphs, the new cells would be close to 400 secs rather than 360-370 secs, and with this voltage....

Who is it? a Ni-Mh cell or a portable nuclear powerplant?
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Old 09-04-2001, 04:35 PM   #22
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[email protected] is not good for SMH's. My ProMatch packs are 1.14+ on the labels, and at 20amps, they cycle at 4.72 volts for my 4cell packs. I think these new Sanyo's will be good.
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Old 09-04-2001, 05:37 PM   #23
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Most companies are not accurate with the numbers anyway. 1.5 is very high. More likely they will be around 1.3, I suspect maybe similar to the SMH in voltage with more run time. I have 3 2400 packs, and still one 2000 pack I use for the races. I think the original sanyo cell was a great improvemnt over the original panasonics, then the SMHs were a fair improvemt over the sanyos. These sanyos probably will not have as big of a difference between the SMHs, looks like the companies are finally figuring it out and hopefully the market will start to level out. I think I will buy Pro-Match, they seem to be good. I have 2 SMC 2400s that were 80 bucks, and 1 Fantom 2400 that was 62, there is a noticable difference between the two. You get what you pay for.
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Old 09-04-2001, 10:21 PM   #24
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Here's a spanner in the works....
I've seen Cells on a TM4 that give fantastic numbers one cycle and not so flash, the next. I've also seen cells that have been tested over 10 times without settling down.
Pretty much means they can go either way, good or bad. The cells could be on a good cycle or a bad one.

The HV cells should be available in early November, I was asked today if I wanted to order some...Not just yet.
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Stoopid question time:

These Sanyo HV's are NiMH cells, right?
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Stoopid question time:

These Sanyo HV's are NiMH cells, right?
Yes!!!..........

It is only stupid, if it asked twice..........

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No, that was stupid the first time
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"corse-R : We have been testing the new RC-3000 on the TM-4 with 0.90 cutoff. Were seeing 360 + runtime with 1.135 - 1.155 voltage. This cell is for real.



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kitracer: The new cell has good actual IR in milliohms but the it's relative IR is higher than the SMH's. This is because it peaks at higher voltage which manipulates the relative IR. Actual IR is way more accurate"

That is from Top talk, so info from more than one matcher about the voltage. I actually hope it doesn't make heaps of difference on the track so we have two cells competing on price only.
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Old 09-19-2001, 09:19 PM   #29
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I was looking at the graph provided on the team orion and I noticed that if you look at the graph, you will see that the SMH's have a substantial ammount of voltage more than the HV's in the first 1700 mahrs of their capacity. After that, the HV's kick in, but the difference in voltage isn't as pronounced, they SMH's are still hangin with em!
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Bump!

I would like to hear info if anyone gets thier hands on some of these cells!
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