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Old 12-24-2009, 07:56 PM   #16
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So is Tamiya and Xray. So far the only touring cars that they haven't copy yet are the American designed ones(AE & Losi).
I don't think they'd have a problem nailing Associateds fit and finish
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Old 12-24-2009, 08:11 PM   #17
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So is Tamiya and Xray. So far the only touring cars that they haven't copy yet are the American designed ones(AE & Losi).
Well, if you are only talking American "designed", you also have the Top.
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Old 12-24-2009, 09:13 PM   #18
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dont see whats so bad about it most tc's are over priced and if this is what it takes for people to afford it to race then im all for it.
You wouldn't say that if you livelyhood was of the creative nature would?

I'm sure you'd be fine with a few years of work, copied then sold cheaper.

Coping takes no talent or skill. Where would any industry be if everyone thought like you? You'd drive the innovators out of business and then be left with the copy cats who couldn't come up with a original thought- no thanks I'll wait til I can afford the real thing or nothing. I would never support copiers.
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You wouldn't say that if you livelyhood was of the creative nature would?

I'm sure you'd be fine with a few years of work, copied then sold cheaper.

Coping takes no talent or skill. Where would any industry be if everyone thought like you? You'd drive the innovators out of business and then be left with the copy cats who couldn't come up with a original thought- no thanks I'll wait til I can afford the real thing or nothing. I would never support copiers.
Yeah stop sending your paypal to them Virtual money farming MMO hogs, that copy things and sell them for USD to off balanced the World economy LMAO

K have no idea what i am saying LOL just felt like it.

This copy looks wierd all colorfull n crap i can't even see the resemblance to a Schumacher. but i suppose it is O.o

Also the reason the items tend to be crappier is b/c it has to be 20%-30% change to be a different product. So since they don't wanna mess with the looks, they change the compound used in the material by 20% hence the crappy quality LOL xD and tada its "vitually" a new car that looks like real but is fake

Or is it now ????

And again i am just ranting away
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we wonder where all our jobs went ... and we're paypalling li wong fu $250 for our new MiFo.
You said MiFo!
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Old 12-25-2009, 03:18 AM   #21
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The Mi4 is one of the most unique TC chassis on the market, its impossible for anyone to confuse it with anything else, so no-one can say ''well its just another TC, they copy each other anyway''!

I had a look at one of those craptastic TRF416 clones up close recently. The chassis isn't carbon fibre, the top and bottom few layers were, but the middle was something else (it was dark grey, not black). It'll be the same with this.

They even ripped the features list from Schumacher's website. Morons.
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Old 12-25-2009, 05:21 PM   #22
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Morons.
+1 Had the same debate before when the first 416 clones came out... not a hope in hell that i would ever contemplate buying a clone, more out of principle and (one word thats already been mentioned) integrity. End. of. chat.

Simples!
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Old 12-25-2009, 05:47 PM   #23
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Some racer with good ethic and value sense judge them as "bast#*d" on one side..

Some fellows whom believe current TC price is just unethical called them as a "Hero" on other side..

Blame them and rant them just make them more famous. Its free ADVERTISEMENT for them..

Well if you want to beat them, let's stop rant them, let's set the bar higher they can't jump.

Do you thinks they dare (read "capable enough") to copy high quality graphite molded American chassis as Losi XX4 or AE TC3.. NOPE, they never dare to do that..

I do business with those kind of people since 2003 and understand their nature of thinking quite well, all in their mind is PROFIT, more simple is more profit,,

They can copy Tamiya, Xray, HB, because two-plate design are (definitely!) SIMPLY EASY TO COPY
No molding investment, no ROI calculations, just get 3D software, CNC mill and turning, and.. voila, you get copy TRF chassis in less than half of week..
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Old 12-26-2009, 02:38 AM   #24
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I believe it was a RC Tech Moderator that said..

"We're all trying to make a profit in this world"

I guess he was right.
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Old 01-09-2010, 03:21 PM   #25
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Do the orignal shu'e parts work on these clones? For example do the chassis plates interchangable? and suspension arms? I will be honest why I am asking. I am looking to buy the Orignal mi4lp for myself and sell off my cyclone TC. I am looking to get my youngest son started and can not justify buying a $500 kit for a nine year old. This maybe an option so son can have dad like car. In the future if the parts start breaking and upgrading the chassis plate to real mi4 parts. Trust me I have been looking for a used mi4 but I can not seem to find one that is reasonaly priced.
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Do the orignal shu'e parts work on these clones? For example do the chassis plates interchangable? and suspension arms? I will be honest why I am asking. I am looking to buy the Orignal mi4lp for myself and sell off my cyclone TC. I am looking to get my youngest son started and can not justify buying a $500 kit for a nine year old. This maybe an option so son can have dad like car. In the future if the parts start breaking and upgrading the chassis plate to real mi4 parts. Trust me I have been looking for a used mi4 but I can not seem to find one that is reasonaly priced.
Used Mi3 and 3.5's are on here all the time for under $200, you would be much better off with one of those. The suspension parts are all the same between the 2, the chassis, bulkhead, camber link mounts are different, but the general geometry is very similar so you don't have to change his setup.
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China is a place of R&D, Research & Duplicate...Anyone who's serious about TC will not even consider buying these clones, they are poorly made and is nowhere near as good as the originals. I would never buy a clone...nothing beats the real thing...
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Old 01-09-2010, 04:58 PM   #28
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I understand what you are saying. However I might have the same budget you have. I want to race a mi4lp and selling my cyclones. I do not have the money spend $500 for a chassis plus electonics to get my son started. This is a good option. In the future if he stays interested buying a higher quality chassis is a non issue. But to run a class like VTA 21.5 brushless I as sure he will not see the difference. I know my son and wanting to have one that looks like dads is a big issuse to him. So for me this clone makes sense weather a lot people think its ethical or not. If you read more about my post, I was planning on spending money to support schumacher and buy a MI4lp for me plus a mitten full of parts. I want to know if the schumacher parts will direct fit this chassis. I have no issuse in spending the money for myself. But for my son to practice on a permanent track and beat around the school parking lot doing practice to get better; why would this not be a option?

Not trying to start the debate weather china is stealing jobs or xeroxing the world. Just trying to save a little money in this hobby and introduce a person to it without going backrupt. So someone serious of the hobby/sport wants to get more people out and running. If the orginal kit rolled in about 325us I would consider buying two. At $500 plus Canadian.. hardly an option for a 9 year old.

So you going to say I am bad guy becuase I run a Speed passion LPF esc and I bought my son the Xerun 60a version. Which one is the knockoff there. The CHINA hobbywing version, or the Rebadged Speed passion/venom/orion? I supported both levels of the hobby.

For this reason. He had a TC5 and was running laps in the school parking lot and it got flatened by a Ford explorer. So he has not raced or ran in months.
I am looking at this to buy one and and orginal and swap parts back and forth ethical or not this is my idea.
All I want to know with the parts swap, including the chassis plate incase I want to buy THE SCHUMACHER LP chassis in the future.
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hey zleader, i will take my best guess that the original Schumacher parts will be a direct fit on the clone if anything breaks or wear out.

i was reading up a lot on the 416 clone since i was going to buy one just for the heck of it so i asked my gf to get one for me when she was in china. anyway, make the long story shot, the car was given to a family friend before i could lay my eyes on it. but like i was telling you, i researched on it and all original parts fits on the clone. i guess they rather copy 1:1 than to make any minor changes.

i wouldnt worry about what other people thinks buying a clone, everyone's got their own opinion and everyone's got their reason on buying or not buying the clone. so if it make sense to you to start your son on a clone, DO IT! your son will eventually move to the real kit when he is ready and demand more from the car.

enjoy!

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please dont start another war as i am only stating mere facts to a father that wants to get his son continue in this thing we called hobby. and i am in no way not respecting anyone's thoughts about the clone. thanks!
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Hey thanks for the heads up. Great post.. Just the honest truth. I hate starting wars about nothing. Like you said we all have our reasons. I For all out there my One of my cyclones is posted here and ebay.. Once it gone I will Buy a Orignal mi4lp for me and most likely a clone for my son(TOO START).
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