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Old 12-09-2009, 11:52 PM   #1
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Just need a quick answer. What is total toe. I understand toe in and toe out, but don't want to search for "total toe". Just need a straight forward answer. Thank you in advance.
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Just need a quick answer. What is total toe. I understand toe in and toe out, but don't want to search for "total toe". Just need a straight forward answer. Thank you in advance.
Total Toe usually refers to Inboard Toe + Outboard Toe.

Inboard toe being the angle that is produced by the whole Suspension arm and Outboard being the angle produced by the outer Hub.

Most cars these days come with 3 Deg Inboard toe and 0 Deg Outboard toe on the Rear and 0 Deg Inboard toe and adjustable (With Turnbuckles) Outboard toe on the front.

Hope this makes sense.

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Inboard toe being the angle that is produced by the whole Suspension arm and Outboard being the angle produced by the outer Hub.

Most cars these days come with 3 Deg Inboard toe and 0 Deg Outboard toe on the Rear and 0 Deg Inboard toe and adjustable (With Turnbuckles) Outboard toe on the front.

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hey thanks for the explantion, Ive been wondering about this as well

Ive a couple of questions on this topic as well..
so a 'hopup' 3 degree hub would be a outboard toe adjustment?
The total toe is the one we measure with setup stations ?
Does it matter whether the total toe is produced from inboard or outboard??
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But you can't adjust toe with the hubs, correct? Are you just referring to to angle at which they mount to the arm?

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Total Toe usually refers to Inboard Toe + Outboard Toe.

Inboard toe being the angle that is produced by the whole Suspension arm and Outboard being the angle produced by the outer Hub.

Most cars these days come with 3 Deg Inboard toe and 0 Deg Outboard toe on the Rear and 0 Deg Inboard toe and adjustable (With Turnbuckles) Outboard toe on the front.

Hope this makes sense.

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You can adjust the toe on the rear with turnbuckles as well right? So the inboard toe is established when you build the car and install a certain shim to create that toe? and then you adjust the turnbuckles to get to the desired total toe?
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Since were on the topic,

how do people feel about outboard rear toe giving more rotation?
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You can adjust the toe on the rear with turnbuckles as well right? So the inboard toe is established when you build the car and install a certain shim to create that toe? and then you adjust the turnbuckles to get to the desired total toe?
I dont know what car you drive but as far as I know there is no electric TC that you can adjust rear toes with a turnbuckle.

only car that I remember is org version NTC3, and thats a gas car.

turnbuckles on the rear adjust the camber.
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Since were on the topic,

how do people feel about outboard rear toe giving more rotation?
Or possibly too much rotation, outboard toe in the rear would also make the car very unstable and hard to drive.
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I dont know what car you drive but as far as I know there is no electric TC that you can adjust toes with a turnbuckle.

only car that I remember is org version NTC3, and thats a gas car.

turnbuckles on the rear adjust the camber.
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hey thanks for the explantion, Ive been wondering about this as well

Ive a couple of questions on this topic as well..
so a 'hopup' 3 degree hub would be a outboard toe adjustment?
The total toe is the one we measure with setup stations ?
Does it matter whether the total toe is produced from inboard or outboard??
Yes, you measure total toe with a setup station.
Hubs are outboard toe adjustments.
Several schools of though on inboard vs. outboard toe being better. Some feel that inboard toe (shims) can cause binding in the pivot pin/arm, since the pin holders are slightly cocked when tightened against the bulkhead. Thus, some prefer outboard toe.
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fyi-schumacher axis 2 had rear turn buckles for toe adjustment
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Quick question, 2 degrees of inward toe in the rear, and .5 degrees of toe out in the front;

Would that make the car pretty much the same as 2.5 degrees in the the rear, and 0 in the front? I'm pretty sure the answer is no, but im just curious if that blanaces out anything
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I was looking on a pro driver set-up sheet for the TC5 and they had 3 for total toe in the rear. I assume this is positive 3 which would be toe out in the rear? I would think -3 degree would be the correct setting? Also, you cannot adjust the rear outboard toe with a turnbuckle (my bad).
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I was looking on a pro driver set-up sheet for the TC5 and they had 3 for total toe in the rear. I assume this is positive 3 which would be toe out in the rear? I would think -3 degree would be the correct setting? Also, you cannot adjust the rear outboard toe with a turnbuckle (my bad).
Nobody that I've seen runs toe out in the rear. It is 3 degrees toe in.
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Quick question, 2 degrees of inward toe in the rear, and .5 degrees of toe out in the front;

Would that make the car pretty much the same as 2.5 degrees in the the rear, and 0 in the front? I'm pretty sure the answer is no, but im just curious if that blanaces out anything
no, you dont deduct fr to rear or rear to front.
both front toe and rear toe does have effect on car's handling (set up) but no direct connection between it.
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