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Old 12-08-2009, 10:51 AM   #31
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Ampdraw can only do so much. The onus lies primarily on Tamiya-USA's back. I understand plastic models is where the money is, but why even import R/C cars if they will not provide as good a support as the shops in Hong Kong and Jaypan do? Tamiya could trump Xray easily if they just up the parts support in the states. Then you will see a sea of blue at tracks.
I am surprised Tamiya is so keen to get the titles they have in TC, as they don't seem to be capitalising on it at all. In Australia they are focused on markets where they have plenty of competition and where the customer doesn't see the difference in quality, but the price (e.g. cheap kits, RTR). From what I hear here, in the US, the situation isn't much better, and from personal experience I know in Europe is the same. There's hardly any kits on the shelves of hobby shops in major cities, and then only basic ones (TT01, TA05, etc). So why do they want so much the best drivers and all the titles? Ego? Is it used in advertising anywhere? Maybe in the domestic market, or the rest of Asia? No idea.
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Realize...that the TRF line is just a chance for Tamiya to display their skills, develop new concepts and another way to keep alive the mythical Tamiya brand.

Tamiya do not really have to earn any money from the TRF projects. And therein lies the biggest difference to most other brands they are competing against on the tracks worldwide.

Actually, the strategy to keep the TRF line of cars a little bit hard to get might just be a very good strategy for their purpose...
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Realize...that the TRF line is just a chance for Tamiya to display their skills, develop new concepts and keep alive the mythical Tamiya brand.

Tamiya do not really have to earn any money from the TRF projects. And therein lies the biggest difference to most other brands they are competing against on the tracks worldwide.

Actually, the strategy to keep the TRF line of cars a little bit hard to get might just be a very good strategy for their purpose...
And that is what I don't understand. Tamiya has some world class R/C racers that kick butt and take names. They also know how to hold onto their titles. They could make even more money for their TRF line and develop much better cars. Tamiya still leads the R/C industry for innovation.

If I were to get a Tamiya 416X, I'd definitely be inclined to buy a second kit just to have spares. But as far as buying arms, hubs, and knuckles, people would be SOL. Pretty sad in my opinion.

Their success in the R/C world would also trickle down to the club racer level and keep companies like Xray (whom have never won as many worlds as Tamiya) in check with their prices. Perhaps larger forces are at work? Perhaps Tamiya only focuses on their Asian markets for the R/C arena and parts support?
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Don't forget the whole Japanese ethic and culture of trying to be the best in their field - and thus Toyota and Honda pulling out of F1 and Subaru and Suzuki pulling out of WRC after years of unsuccessfully competing.
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I dont think he would make the move just for the change in platform. I find it hard to believe that the T3 isnt just as capable as the Tamiya. There must be some other motivation, financial or otherwise.

He doesnt seem to be like Cyrul and TOP either. Maybe Im wrong but it just doesnt seem like he is ready to develop his own platform yet. I would be happy to be wrong about this.
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Don't forget the whole Japanese ethic and culture of trying to be the best in their field - and thus Toyota and Honda pulling out of F1 and Subaru and Suzuki pulling out of WRC after years of unsuccessfully competing.
I can see Honda and Toyota pulling out of F1. I think that was long overdue. But Subaru and Suzuki??? I thought Subaru was doing well in WRC for the 2008 and 2009 years. Why are they pulling out yet Mistubishi is still in???

As far as afraid of losing, they could follow Xray's example here in America and just flood the market with cars all over the place to increase chances of placing on the podium.
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I can see Honda and Toyota pulling out of F1. I think that was long overdue. But Subaru and Suzuki??? I thought Subaru was doing well in WRC for the 2008 and 2009 years. Why are they pulling out yet Mistubishi is still in???

As far as afraid of losing, they could follow Xray's example here in America and just flood the market with cars all over the place to increase chances of placing on the podium.
Honda left F1 at the end of 08. Toyota at the end of this year. Subaru and Suzuki officially ended WRC involvement in 2008. Mitsubishi ended their WRC program back in 2005.

No arguments with that last point though. To be honest, the reason why TRF cars aren't available in the States is best answered by Tamiya USA, they probably feel they won't sell enough units to justify the cost of importing them, plus stocks of parts. Thats the reason given in the UK at least, and why Eliott is direct with Tamiya, not through the Hobby Company (the UK importer).
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Honda left F1 at the end of 08. Toyota at the end of this year. Subaru and Suzuki officially ended WRC involvement in 2008. Mitsubishi ended their WRC program back in 2005.

No arguments with that last point though. To be honest, the reason why TRF cars aren't available in the States is best answered by Tamiya USA, they probably feel they won't sell enough units to justify the cost of importing them, plus stocks of parts. Thats the reason given in the UK at least, and why Eliott is direct with Tamiya, not through the Hobby Company (the UK importer).
I think Tamiya USA needs to do some polling in the hobby industry and see how they would do if they were to increase their support for their cars. As far as I saw it when I was in California (visiting family in LA) a while back, a lot of people were running Tamiya cars all over the place. I think back then, I saw a bunch of Tamiya 414's. From what I see now based on these forums, Tamiya is still pretty much sought after as much as Xray is, namely because of how well engineered their cars are to function on the track, minus durability.

I think Tamiya USA needs to step it up and get serious. The market is ripe for TRF to make a mark on USA's club tracks. And I believe they will be quite successful if they can step everything up. One thing people like most is diversity. I am sure tracks being covered in Orange Xrays is not too appealing to people. Especially how much the kits cost.

Can you imagine watching the Le Mans or a GP race with only Mercedes Benz? Or only Toyotas? I am sure people won't stay awake for long.
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I think there might be some truth in what has been said.

But I realise that ultimately it is the domestic market that counts and we know next to nothing about Japan unfortunately. They seem to be content to keep everything for themselves rather than coming out on forums to help us understand any of this.

About making money, it is true, Tamiya doesn't depend on the money they make out of TC, but on the other hand I don't think it would hurt them to make some. My guess is they don't make any (or feel they don't), surprising as that is.
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Calandra Racing Concepts have announced that young rising star Elliott Harper has joined the CRC race team. The former Xray driver will be using the new CRC 1:12th scale Gen-XL car with CRC Pro Cut tires at the BRCA Nationals starting this weekend in Tamworth, UK. He will represent the full line of CRC products with Gen-XL and Gen X 10 cars, Pro Cut tires and Black Art bodies. As a past BRCA Nationals winner and IFMAR World Championship A-finalist, Harper is sure to stir up the results this coming season. While Elliott plans to compete in as many races as possible, the 2010 1/12th Worlds and Euros are still a bit tentative because of his studies.

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Thats a big shock to me also! Do you know what 1/12th scale he will be using?
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Having a UK young gun on the team may hopefully open up the retail side of Tamiya in the UK and make it more accessable?

Well, we can all hope!!!!
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I dont think he would make the move just for the change in platform. I find it hard to believe that the T3 isnt just as capable as the Tamiya. There must be some other motivation, financial or otherwise.

He doesnt seem to be like Cyrul and TOP either. Maybe Im wrong but it just doesnt seem like he is ready to develop his own platform yet. I would be happy to be wrong about this.
Perhaps it is the support he can get from the team at Worlds level events etc.
Wouldn't you like Marc Rheinhards advice and setup skills when you're racing!

I heard that he was thinking about this for a few months, quite a while before the T3 etc. so I also doubt it is due to the car.

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Wouldn't you like Marc Rheinhards advice and setup skills when you're racing!


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