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Old 11-21-2009, 12:23 PM   #1
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Default Should timing boost ESC's be legal for spec/stock classes?

It seems with this new technology that a given wind motor (13.5t, 17.5t, etc.) is no longer a common ground. Just when we had true, controllable spec horsepower with lipo and BL we now have power disparities between those who have $200 speed controls and those who don't. This new technology has it's place for sure but should it be legal in all stock classes, whose purpose was to keep the playing field level and less expensive?
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It seems with this new technology that a given wind motor (13.5t, 17.5t, etc.) is no longer a common ground. Just when we had true, controllable spec horsepower with lipo and BL we now have power disparities between those who have $200 speed controls and those who don't. This new technology has it's place for sure but should it be legal in all stock classes, whose purpose was to keep the playing field level and less expensive?
YES they should!!!!!!!!!!!
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As above, of course it should be allowed
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If it was a true stock class, everyone would/should be running the same equipment. (MAYBE different chassis)

However, I currently enjoy the superstock 13.5 class, and have since it was first implemented.
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It seems with this new technology that a given wind motor (13.5t, 17.5t, etc.) is no longer a common ground. Just when we had true, controllable spec horsepower with lipo and BL we now have power disparities between those who have $200 speed controls and those who don't. This new technology has it's place for sure but should it be legal in all stock classes, whose purpose was to keep the playing field level and less expensive?
of course that would assume that all motors and lipos are equal, which they are not, so its a flawed question from the start. btw, 13.5 isn't "stock"
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If it was a true stock class, everyone would/should be running the same equipment. (MAYBE different chassis)
exactly, but like the man said, "there ain't nothing stock about a stock car"
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Old 11-21-2009, 01:07 PM   #8
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Stock is suppose to be for beginners or at the very least its a entree level class for the novices that get the bump...


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As long as we consider stock a class where experience races can race the class.
I say the timing , batteries , ect. ?

All of it should be allowed...

Then create a new entree level class for beginners only ...
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We have had this debate for ever in Trans-Am racing. If you wan't to make the class so you can't run one speedo over another or one motor over another then it needs to be called a Spec class. One motor one Speedo. Just like T/A it is a spec class in one way because we can only use Novak motors, We can also use any speedo we wan't BUT we can NOT use the Turbo function found on the Tekin RS so it is a Speck/Stock class. if it was Full Spec it would be Novak Motor and or GTB or Havoc speedo. anything beyond that the line gets fuzzy is it a Mod,Superstock,open Class?? the debate will never end
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Even if you did ban timing boost, how would you enforce it? It's not like there's something you can measure. The only way you could do it would be hand out speed controls, and that's a horrible idea.

Speed controls aren't the problem in Sportsman.
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And I just want to add that from the very beginning speed controllers were very near the 200.00 range anyways. I think the first speedo I saw for sale was about 180.00. Compared to what was in that speed controller compared to what today's speed controllers have in them, then todays version are a bargain.

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Every speed control manufacturer can offer BL controllers that would provide the features needed for "Spec" racing while keeping them affordable.

We offer 3 Havoc controllers----all under $100; with more on-board programming parameters (9) than many racers want. We could even offer escs with fewer programming options, if that is what's required---if these existing escs are too complex for new racers.

If you want to encourage new users, you need to offer products that they can afford and figure out how to use. The problem is: racers who have already invested in expensive electronics really don't want a level playing field, or to reliquish their advantage.
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Even if you did ban timing boost, how would you enforce it? It's not like there's something you can measure. The only way you could do it would be hand out speed controls, and that's a horrible idea.

Speed controls aren't the problem in Sportsman.
Manufacturers would provide controllers for Spec racing, designed according to certain established guidelines.

Any manufacturer who violates this agreement would be banned from selling these Spec controllers.

Pretty simple, really.
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The problem with spec equipment is that everyone has aspirations of being in the "fast" class. As a result no one wants to buy something they think won't allow them to move up.
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I run both stock and mod and I spend way more money to have the cutting edge stuff for stock then I do for mod.Stock does not mean cheap anymore.
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