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Old 02-26-2004, 05:19 PM   #46
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Remember DB, 90% of the people on this forum are little kids that know nothing about how the real world works.
Yeah, darn kids!


Wait a second... (I am a kid, I think...)

I know how the real world works, you have 7 roomates and you have them live together for a period of time to test their nerves towards one another...

Oops, wrong "real world"
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Old 02-26-2004, 09:28 PM   #47
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You guys are missing the point. I remember a true SPEC class in CT that at the end of the night the motor and batteries were collected at the end of the night. Each with numbers on them so at the next race everybody drew a number and ran the stuff they got.

Many are missing the point that this car may come with a set of rules that takes care of "Buying 100 batteries. Rules. RULES. That's what you're missing. SPEC racing is nothing more than a set of rules. So if you want to limit money limit what people can use. Cheaters always ruin things.

We need to start using our minds to think about things before we speak (wait did I just say that, cause that's not how I operate).
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Old 02-26-2004, 10:23 PM   #48
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I think the best way a spec class can be run is if the motors are handed out. Of course the motors have been dynoed and all matched. Handed out batts would also be cool.

That will eliminate the "uncontrollable" factors.
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Spec car=Trinity
Spec body=Trinity
Spec motor and battery=Trinity
Spec tires=TRC

Gee who does this help the hobby or Trinity. I know that every company is out to make a profit but this is just wrong. I did run street spec for a while and remember bringing 20 batteries and 10 motors every week but only using 3 batteries and 1 motor. This class will be a lot harder on motors than the pan cars of old thus Spec brush=Trinity.

I am a little biased as I have had broblems with Trinity in the past but I wright this as a person who wants to see racing as well as the hobby overall grow.

A true spec class would have spec tires, batteries, and motors. They should be collected by the track every week and then passed out to different drivers teh next week. This way everyone gets to run the good and the bad batteries. But the chassis would be drivers choice.
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Old 02-26-2004, 11:35 PM   #50
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I don't really see how we can argue that Trinity is just grousing for more money here. Couldn't ANY manufacturer start a series with their car(s) and equipment, like Tamiya has?
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Old 02-27-2004, 01:00 AM   #51
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That car, any rebuildable stock motor, any battery, spec tires, rims, inserts. you may have a winner. Oh and none of this 5 minute stuff either, keep it 4 minutes so batteries dont matter.
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Old 02-27-2004, 01:03 AM   #52
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It would be really nice if Associated or Losi would get behind something like this.
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Old 02-27-2004, 01:12 AM   #53
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Yes any manufacturer can do it but they havent. The main thing here is the cost. It has to have a initial lower investment for it to do its intended job. getting the new guys in the sport. And the main problem with that is cost. I have at least 20 friends that do not start in RC. Just because of the initial cost.
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Maybe we should make an R/C Tech spec series that travels all over the country. I'm sure Scotty would let us have the championships at Trackside. Who's with me?
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Old 02-27-2004, 08:02 AM   #55
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We have a spec class at our track Rosewood RC Speedway in NC for touring cars, we use spec motors and batteries and whatever touring car chassis you like all the guys who run spec there seem to like it and yet they can have the ford chevy dodge mix to boot by using any chassis. The only thing I personally do not like is that the spec class uses a specific battery and motor so when you want to move up to a faster class you have to go out and buy all new stuff again, EXPENSIVE! I say leave it alone in this case and just run a stock class with novice and or prostock. There have been plenty of posts here to state lack of support in other areas and not to mention how you can get a serious racer out there in spec and spend bundles of money and it be far worse than stock or mod. I feel this is just to make some money on the hobbiest which I find nothing wrong with but do it right don't roll it out and not support it with short or lack of parts tech help ect...


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Old 02-27-2004, 08:59 AM   #56
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Judging by the car i think this class is intended to bring
newcomers to racing and not really meant for guys that
have been racing for years that just like running spec classes.
It sounds like trinity just put the spec aspect of it so a beginner
to racing knows what they need with out it being so complicated.
I think if the clubs use this as a starter class it will bring in
alot of new racers just because it is simple enough to know
what to buy.
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Old 02-27-2004, 09:20 AM   #57
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Every track I ever raced at has tried a spec class. Every track I 've ever raced at has failed with their spec class. Why? I truly believe it's the same basic reason we all love this sport. The speed..or at least being speedier than the next guy. A spec class appears to reduce some of the variables in that, but one basic problem remains, which is money. The people with more money to spend on the regular classes will spend it on the spec class as well. They will buy high content silver brushes, cut comms, dyno motors, buy more batteries to find one decent spec pack, and so on. And how do they get away with it? Because at the club level, the track organizers don't take the time to truly tech the cars after the race.

It is the nature of the beast, and it always will be.

I think the only way a spec class works is if motors, batteries, and tires, including the insert and rim, are handed out at the start of each raceday. Then, immediatly(!) after the main, the cars go straight from the track and motors and tires are removed by track personnel and turned in. Doing this will prevent someone from tweaking the motors, as they will loose their expensive brushes, comm cuts, and sauced tires to the tech crew as soon as the race is over.

But again, at the club level, who wants to take the time to do all that? At some places track personnel amounts to a single person, and there is no way one person can do all that and conduct a normal race day. Therefore, spec racing falls by the wayside once again.

I'd love to see a spec class, but with the competitive nature of racers, I don't think it'll ever really happen without a serious commitment from the track and racers together.
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Cartmen, I think your points are exactly why a series such as the Tamiya series has done so well over the years; its a spec series with an amount of flexibity built into it. Everyone who enters that series has the same access to the same parts and equipment, so driving and setup become more of an important factor. I think the Trinity class could possibly work, it all depends on the demand for this type of racing. I love running spec classes, I am on a limited budget, so for me, this helps control costs. When I run a spec class, like when I ran the Street Spec series, I think I had 2 motors at most and 5-6 packs (we ran endurance races and I had 1 pack more for practice then what we needed to complete the race). I've said before that I hope this doesn't become like Procar or the 5D stock motor program. But, without seeing it, maybe this could be a class that could utilize the 5D motors. As far as using high silver brushes, that's where the street spec brushes come in. If you are going to run it where you don't collect the motors and batteries at the end of the night, there's a simple solution: Put in a claim rule. If the motors cost $25 (ex), for $30 you can purchase someone else's motor from them. Same thing with batteries. They used to do this in full scale racing in ASA and it worked. Not having read it for awhile, but I even believe the street spec series had a claim rule. I'm definately keeping an open mind on this one.
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Old 02-27-2004, 10:19 AM   #59
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Here's some reason why SPEC racing doesn't really bring in new people.

1. If I show up with Car A ad only Car B is used, what do I do? I can't afford to buy a new car, but I can't race the car in the class. What do I do?

2. Once everybody sees cars going faster and we all want to go faster, or that the car over there looks awesome

3. Cheaters eventually find a way to cheat.
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The glass is half empty?

I dunno, if the track owners are doing their jobs as sales people, that can help reduce the number of people who fall under #1. Plus, I am sure on a track by track basis the rules can be tweaked to allow more then this one chassis if it falls under the spirit of the series. For example, some kid brings his RTR TC3 to the track. I'd say let him race. But another kid brings a FT TC3, well, that's not in the spirit of the series and he should run in sportsman or stock.

Speed costs money, and sometimes people are tired of getting outspent. So instead of bringing new blood into the hobby, this can help retain some of the people who would have otherwise left because of cost or frustration.

I hate this arguement. If you put in a claim rule, there is no incentive to cheat. In addition, just because someone is faster doesn't mean they have to be cheating. There's a club here that runs Tamiya and Duratrax F1 cars. When I or a friend of mine show up we kick butt. It's not because we cheat, but because we know how to set up our cars, we use better charging equipment, and frankly are better drivers. We've since been told that we are not welcome there anymore. One nimrod even claimed we designed a jig to advance the timing on mabuchi motors. Generally speaking, at least around here in my experience, cheating happens much less often then people really think.
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