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Old 01-16-2012, 03:42 PM   #301
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Does anyone know where one could find Paul Ciccarello S120L '11 IIC setup information?
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Old 01-16-2012, 05:26 PM   #302
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Does anyone know where one could find Paul Ciccarello S120L '11 IIC setup information?
He wasn't actually running a S120L, he was running his on car, the On-Point Racing car. Not sure, but you could check the On-Point thread.
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Hi all,

I'm contemplating a return to 1/12th scale from Touring Car and I really like the look of the Serpent S120 LT. I notice though that there doesn't seem to be much chatter in this thread or setup support here or on Petit RC, which is where I generally start for setup info. Are there many folks running this car or have most abandoned Serpent for the On-Point conversions? Are there any resources I could use for setup info that I'm unaware of?

I really would prefer something different than the usual suspects (12R5.1/CRC GenXi/etc.) so I'd love to hear from anybody that's actually running the 120 LT! Thanks in advance!

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Not sure why the Serpent car gets very little love, its a great looking car and while I dont have the LT version I really like my older T-bar S120 as well as my S120L. That said I allways return back to my BMI cars.
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I think most of the set up info in the On-Point thread would apply. Frankly if the Serpent had come out a bit sooner I would be running one, but I'm already committed to a different car. (Budget limitations you know?) Still love my S120L.
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Does anyone know where one could find Paul Ciccarello S120L '11 IIC setup information?
Paul is on here a lot and may see your question. If not go here http://www.onpointracing.com

You can get Paul's contact info. If you send him a e-mail he will reply pretty quick.

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I thought he was running his S120L On Road Racing conversion OPS120L

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He wasn't actually running a S120L, he was running his on car, the On-Point Racing car. Not sure, but you could check the On-Point thread.
Thank you so much for the detailed information.

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Paul is on here a lot and may see your question. If not go here http://www.onpointracing.com

You can get Paul's contact info. If you send him a e-mail he will reply pretty quick.

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Paul, I think, was running this car, which is a Frankenstein and very fast.

http://www.petitrc.com/reglages/onpo...tro/index.html
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Does anyone know where one could find Paul Ciccarello S120L '11 IIC setup information?
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He wasn't actually running a S120L, he was running his on car, the On-Point Racing car. Not sure, but you could check the On-Point thread.
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I thought he was running his S120L On Road Racing conversion OPS120L



Thank you so much for the detailed information.
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Paul, I think, was running this car, which is a Frankenstein and very fast.

http://www.petitrc.com/reglages/onpo...tro/index.html
At the IIC I was running my serpent conversion with ae front end like the pictures. Send me an email and I can send you setup info.
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At the IIC I was running my serpent conversion with ae front end like the pictures. Send me an email and I can send you setup info.
Hi (Paul??),
Why run the R5 frontend? Stock serpent frontend not good?

I'm asking this because at my local track there are a lot of Onpoint cars which carry an enormous amount of steering through the corners.
Me and another serpent driver have problems with keeping the car griprolling/ lifting a rear wheel. Would the AE frontend solve the problem, cause I saw you make suspension blocks for an AE front on a serpent car.

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Hi (Paul??),
Why run the R5 frontend? Stock serpent frontend not good?

I'm asking this because at my local track there are a lot of Onpoint cars which carry an enormous amount of steering through the corners.
Me and another serpent driver have problems with keeping the car griprolling/ lifting a rear wheel. Would the AE frontend solve the problem, cause I saw you make suspension blocks for an AE front on a serpent car.

Thanks,
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The ae front end will help in high grip. Low to medium the serpent is better.
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What does serpent SER411223 transponder riser do? Does anyone have a picture of them in use? I would image by the name it raises the transponder?

My S120LT is on it's way. I looked at my friends and didn't see a dedicated mounting location for transponder such as the CRC Gen series has in the front of the chassis...
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The ae front end will help in high grip. Low to medium the serpent is better.
Hi Paul, is there a reason for this? Has it just been determined through testing? Or is it due to the rollcenter location, etc?

I noticed that Mark Stiles made a note one of his latest S120LT setup sheets regarding modifying the front pivot ball height... he is flipping the lower pivot ball on the front lower wishbone upside down and putting a .75mm washer on top of it. I assume this lowers the steering block and thus the top of the upper arm... effectively lowering the front rollcenter vs the stock Serpent config.
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What does serpent SER411223 transponder riser do? Does anyone have a picture of them in use? I would image by the name it raises the transponder?

My S120LT is on it's way. I looked at my friends and didn't see a dedicated mounting location for transponder such as the CRC Gen series has in the front of the chassis...
No dedicated mnt location on 120LT, only on 120L. Transonder risers are just 3 shims a pair mm in height. I'm also wondering what purpose these serve for..
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Hi Paul, is there a reason for this? Has it just been determined through testing? Or is it due to the rollcenter location, etc?

I noticed that Mark Stiles made a note one of his latest S120LT setup sheets regarding modifying the front pivot ball height... he is flipping the lower pivot ball on the front lower wishbone upside down and putting a .75mm washer on top of it. I assume this lowers the steering block and thus the top of the upper arm... effectively lowering the front rollcenter vs the stock Serpent config.
Yes I do that when I run the serpent front end. I trim the bottom of the steering block though. Same thing basically.
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