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Old 08-23-2003, 11:48 AM   #4456
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Personally i would say the opposite thing, if your track is open and flowing go for C hubs, if its tight and technical run the piviot balls. Rick
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well..then again you have to consider some stuff. Rubber Tires Piviot Ball is the way to go... On Carpet Foam C-Hubs seem to work. On tight technical Tracks I perfer the C-Hub since it makes the car transition quicker then I could get it to do with the Piviot Ball.

I guess it is all in how your drive
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Old 08-23-2003, 02:12 PM   #4458
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I have a new T1R and finally drove it yesterday. It's built by the instructions. The springs seem stiff for running on untreated out door asphault. It seems to be over steering very easy. I'm running light purple upfront and blue in the rear. Would I need to run white all the way round or maybe white up front and yellow in the rear?
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if you are oversteering have you tried playing with your End point adjustments (EPA) on your radio ..or dual rate? I like to have a car that oversteers and then I use the Dual Rate to take steering away until I can get around the corner without oversteering.

The obviosu choice would be to change the shock springs... but if your car is good on the track now and you can drive it well it may pay to try limiting your steering throw before buying springs and maybe making your car not handle as well.
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C hubs are great for Carpet or Technical small tracks. On longer more flowing outdoor tracks the Piviot ball suspension is the way to go.
large ? how large ?
the last euro championship was run at a large track, but most xray factory drivers opted the c-hubs.

i'm still running pb suspension, i have tried running alloy & plastic c-hub evo2 cars. the only difference was c hub cars turn can turn tigher line and responsive at the beginning of the turns.
pivol ball cars are smoother and a bit less responsive and a little harder to set-up.

i ended up with narrower front track width, 1mm caster clip up front, and using eccentric caster block to utilize the reative caster adjustment (really helps a lot).
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Hi

Just got my T1R today...what are the needed option perfomance wise..as far as i've read the thread , I would need the rear roll bridge.So what else??Which spring rate would normally be used on aspalt/rubber?

I have Serpent white and orange spring , does anyone knows what's the rating against Xray springs??

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Oh yah! i need the 1.77 pulley set for the fast accelerastion right, guys!! Hopefully my LHS has that in stock
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We ran with success on a track with about a 200 foot straight... not many hard sharp turns...more flowing. I was able to get my Pillow ball car running better thent he C-Hub Car.
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Old 08-25-2003, 09:19 AM   #4464
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Cool some eye candy

hey guys, here's some eye candy (body only), it sits on a modified raycer (center roll, alu c-hubs, ultra flex deck....)
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hey guys, here's some eye candy (body only), it sits on a modified raycer (center roll, alu c-hubs, ultra flex deck....)
enjoy
Great looking body. Love the wheels.
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Just got my T1R today...what are the needed option perfomance wise..as far as i've read the thread , I would need the rear roll bridge.So what else??Which spring rate would normally be used on aspalt/rubber?

I have Serpent white and orange spring , does anyone knows what's the rating against Xray springs??

Thanks
You might want to invest in spring steel hubs in the front. The alum hubs that comes with the kit distort and becomes difficult to remove. Get the xray full spring set, try not to combine with the serpent springs for several reasons. Springs rates are different, shocks are different lengths, and one color for serpent is a different spring for the same color for xray.
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Just got my T1R today...what are the needed option perfomance wise..as far as i've read the thread , I would need the rear roll bridge.So what else??Which spring rate would normally be used on aspalt/rubber?
I honestly don't think the roll center bridge is all that useful. I have it and did not care for it.

The springs that I would use for rubber on asphalt would be blue, white, yellow. If the track is really smooth, I would run the blues all around or blue in front with white in rear. If the track is bumpy, I would go with white or yellow all the way around OR white in front and yellow in the rear. For a sealed but somewhat bumpy asphalt lot, my EVO2 likes yellow springs. My T1R seems happy with whites. When I head back indoors for some foams/carpet action, I switch the cars over to purples and violets.
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You might want to invest in spring steel hubs in the front. The alum hubs that comes with the kit distort and becomes difficult to remove. Get the xray full spring set, try not to combine with the serpent springs for several reasons. Springs rates are different, shocks are different lengths, and one color for serpent is a different spring for the same color for xray.
Thanks or the advice...will flood this thread more as i run the car...i have the impression that earlier xray T1 were using white/yellow/orange springs from the Serpent line...i might be wrong there.

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I honestly don't think the roll center bridge is all that useful. I have it and did not care for it.

The springs that I would use for rubber on asphalt would be blue, white, yellow. If the track is really smooth, I would run the blues all around or blue in front with white in rear. If the track is bumpy, I would go with white or yellow all the way around OR white in front and yellow in the rear. For a sealed but somewhat bumpy asphalt lot, my EVO2 likes yellow springs. My T1R seems happy with whites. When I head back indoors for some foams/carpet action, I switch the cars over to purples and violets.
thanks to u also

also i found out the Serpent spring rate as posted very much earlier at the middle of this thread by university_dave

Yellow serpent=Blue Xray
White serpent =White xray
Orange serpent=Yellow Xray
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Freshjive...

Be aware that the X-Ray springs that you correspond to the Serpent Springs are longer then the serpent springs. So if you use the serpent springs you may have a hard time making ride height.
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