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Old 11-18-2009, 05:17 PM   #646
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...Xrays overall design is to keep price low after you buy the kit...
So mission accomplished then???
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Old 11-18-2009, 05:25 PM   #647
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Its nice to see all the internet engineers out today

I just received my T3 EU today and I promise to put it through a torture test. People who know me know that I can be tough on my cars -- I'll be the first guy to break an arm or c-hub at the beginning of practice at a big race. I'm going to withhold any comment on the suspension durability until this Saturday running 13.5T rubber at http://www.rctech.net/forum/racing-f...009-a-114.html -- but I'm pretty sure it will be OK. The graphite around the hole looks pretty beefcake.
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Old 11-18-2009, 05:27 PM   #648
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Looks beefcake...... but isn't
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Old 11-18-2009, 05:37 PM   #649
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Xrays overall design is to keep price low after you buy the kit and to make it as competative as possible.
I have real difficulty in that last bit based on the cost of their spares, on the plus side I have only broken a couple of parts all year.
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Old 11-18-2009, 06:18 PM   #650
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I'd like to see the damage on the other 8 cars. Anyone want to post them?
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Old 11-18-2009, 06:50 PM   #651
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True Xray Parts 3x dearer but 5xStronger than the rest LOL
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Old 11-18-2009, 07:24 PM   #652
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Having had a better look at the manual, I think the next optimisation of Xray will be to use one piece suspension blocks like everybody else. Those little things held in place by one screw only are just asking for trouble. Perhaps a CF bridge atop the rear front/front rear supports to clear the belt would do the trick as well.
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Old 11-18-2009, 09:05 PM   #653
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was pushed in 3mm. Funny how they seem to be going backwards from their design to what's proven. Hope to see a revision with Pro 4 or TC4 hinge pin blocks. It's getting closer to perfection. lol I'll hold out for the next Xray. Curious to hear what the mod guys have to say about it. I think people called it on this one.
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Looking again at pictures on the Xray forum, I would suggest a reinforcing aluminium rod with internal thread between the standoffs and running longer screws through the suspension hingepin plastic supports would cure the problem by effectively connecting the standoffs left to right thus distributing forces in a crash.

All this would in effect make the whole suspension support assembly equivalent to what Tamiya and others are using right now only a lot more complicamacated. Too bad it has come to this, but it's not all lost since you would still not have to buy different suspension blocks to change roll centers, toe angles and anti-squat/dive angles. Perhaps Xray has after all achieved the goal in having a suspension support that allows full adjustability without the need to buy more parts.

Might I add that the suspension blocks on the Kawada Sigma 2 and Robitronic Avid are the best design to withstand crash forces as their screw is on the outside of the suspension hingepin therefore not providing a fulcrum point to pull screws through the chassis.

Some food for thought for you, Xray.

PS. If they don't pick up the idea, I am offering here to supply these threaded rods to everyone who needs it at only 79.95$ per piece. Get optimized!
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Take the pulley and belts out of the car and you might have something... unfortunately that would make it a 2WD.
Sorry for being a smart @ss. The pulley and belts are in the way of your solution...

If a U shaped piece is fabricated it would help support the suspension holders from side load impacts and ripping the screw through the chassis. But I think it would require the use of 34 tooth pulleys for it to clear ( at least using my 009 as a source of reference... maybe the T3 has different clearance here ?? )

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Looking again at pictures on the Xray forum, I would suggest a reinforcing aluminium rod with internal thread between the standoffs and running longer screws through the suspension hingepin plastic supports would cure the problem by effectively connecting the standoffs left to right thus distributing forces in a crash.

All this would in effect make the whole suspension support assembly equivalent to what Tamiya and others are using right now only a lot more complicamacated. Too bad it has come to this, but it's not all lost since you would still not have to buy different suspension blocks to change roll centers, toe angles and anti-squat/dive angles. Perhaps Xray has after all achieved the goal in having a suspension support that allows full adjustability without the need to buy more parts.

Might I add that the suspension blocks on the Kawada Sigma 2 and Robitronic Avid are the best design to withstand crash forces as their screw is on the outside of the suspension hingepin therefore not providing a fulcrum point to pull screws through the chassis.

Some food for thought for you, Xray.

PS. If they don't pick up the idea, I am offering here to supply these threaded rods to everyone who needs it at only 79.95$ per piece. Get optimized!

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Old 11-19-2009, 12:52 AM   #656
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Do you have an xray car Nick? That issue with the T3 wont stop me of ordering myself one soon. I know the quality of xray cars... I think some people are just making a book out of it.
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Dang, the side view in the manual shows that a straight rod would not clear the pulley at the front whilst at the back it would have trouble clearing a large spur. Bummer. I suppose an offset of the brace is needed sort of like an eccentric. Another problem may be that the spur and the pulley are not too close so a decent material thickness is left at the attaching point.
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ALL YOU XRAY HATER GO AWAY IT NOT OUR FAULT YOU CAN'T AFFORD ONE GET A PART TIME JOB IT MIGHT HELP
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Old 11-19-2009, 05:30 AM   #659
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Haha it would seem xray have taken the link down already!!

So the British win again... nothing new there then..

Must have realised how retarded their TOP TIP WAS
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haha what mongols!!

They've put it back up now they have put more purple circles round more of the countersunk holes.....

What idiots!
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Old 11-19-2009, 07:43 AM   #660
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Crash a Ford hard.......It breaks!
Crash a Chevy hard.....It breaks!
Crash a Ferrari hard.....It breaks!

Can you call the dealership and ask them to fix it for free......UMMMMMM NO!

So those that have the car (XRAY) and have not broken yet, do preventative matintenance. Those who do not have the car (XRAY) and are expecting to get it know what to do now. Those that want to hate and bash just keep driving what you are driving and scratch your head at the end of the day and ask yourself "Why is my car not as fast as that one (XRAY)?"
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