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Old 04-21-2004, 03:12 PM   #541
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Here is the race flyer after a few changes (This is how it will likely appear on the website)
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Old 04-22-2004, 12:22 PM   #542
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I noticed you have AE at the top like a sponsor, along with Novak - are they both sponsoring the race?
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Old 04-22-2004, 12:39 PM   #543
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Ok, the sponsors listed at the top are all tentative (its something I wanted mentioned on the flyer but apparently it got lost in translation). The only locked in sponsor I have is a company called DVS Motorworks out of NC. I am making plans to talk to a lot of these companies at the IMHE show in Chicago this October. which would be about 6 months out so I will proably have a better idea of who is in and who is not by then.
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Old 04-22-2004, 01:57 PM   #544
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Forgive my ignorance, but what advantages to pan cars have over, say a TC3 4wd? Which one handles BETTER? Which one can be FASTER?

I have a pan car that I'm running a robotic platform on right now. I was hoping to switch to a 4wd car with modern suspension enhancements to make it faster. My robot has to run on the carpet, on a very tight course....

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Old 04-22-2004, 02:12 PM   #545
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donoman, better post your question Here as well, you might get more answer....and quickly but fine to post here....

http://www.rctech.net/forum/showthre...pagenumber=230

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Old 04-22-2004, 02:23 PM   #546
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IMO, Pancar was and still be faster than any other electric car....The 4wd is a toy and a setupaddict for racer...When i get my first touring about 6 years ago,it was a funny class and still be a funny class but i broke out because it's more expensive and no faster than my pancar....And each time i've passed on my touring race,it's for set up the car...so i forget this class...

But on the track you can really and easy see the difference...You do not need all the stuff you have to bring for your touring follow the Amain... It's easy to work and place...... I can not tell how i fell with a pancar because it's too much for a fiorum... but the other racers will help me....

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Old 04-22-2004, 03:15 PM   #547
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Old 04-23-2004, 03:14 AM   #548
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Plain and simple: a pan car is always faster than a touring car, period! A pancar is lighter and way more efficient, plus it has more grip in the corners. If you race on a decent surface, you'll take 1 to 2 seconds a lap on a similarly equiped tourer.
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Old 04-23-2004, 10:39 AM   #549
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Forgive my ignorance, but what advantages to pan cars have over, say a TC3 4wd? Which one handles BETTER? Which one can be FASTER?

thanks in advance
First - as has been mentioned, a pan car's minimum weight is 1200grams (42.3 oz), fully loaded. Compare to a 4wd sedan at 1525 grams (53.8 oz)- that's more than 25% more! That adds up.

Second - there's NO transmission! The pinion turns the spur which is attached to the axle - it's why the technical description of the class is 1/10th scale, Direct Drive Pan Car. This is the most efficient drive design possible. I'm sure you've seen TC3s with no motor that can spin their wheels for 15 seconds. . . we can spin ours for a minute. . .cause it's just an axle (with a diff built into the spur) spinning on two bearings. . .

Third - we run at 235mm instead of 190. Wider is better - it's more stable, it turns a LOT better than 190.

Fourth - because we're 2WD, we turn better than a 4WD. It's a myth that 4WD is more maneuverable than a 2WD; if this were true, why do people get one-way bearings? Simple - a free wheeling front gives better turnin - 4WD allows power to be put to the wheels earlier than a 2WD, all things being equal - which brings me to . . .

Fifth - we normally use GTP style bodies - Lemans type. . .you know, the REAL race cars! These overcome the inherent instability of applying power as you exit a turn (the ONLY advantage with a 4WD car) by giving large amounts of downforce to the car. Stick those wheels to the pavement and you can turn on a dime.

Sixth - we use only foam tires (usually in the 25-30 shore range - greens/pinks). These give a massive advantage in grip over rubber tires.

so - because of the greater efficiency, greater lateral size, lesser weight and better aero package, Direct Drive Pan Cars are the fastest things out there for their size - only things that beat us are 1/8th scale (and some bizarre outlaw nitros). . . shoot - we keep up with Pro Mod while running STOCK. . .

Hope this answers your question.
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Sweet response. Maybe I won't migrate my robot onto the touring-car chassis. I wish I had met this forum before purchasing the 160$ TC3 kit and spending 12 hours assembling it!!!
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Donoman,it's not late to joint us...You know that...
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Old 04-23-2004, 01:50 PM   #552
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Yeah Right Speedxl..........I think so as well
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Old 04-24-2004, 06:56 AM   #554
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Hey, there are only 4 guys signed up for the Pro10 class. Any of you guys sent your entries in that havent been entered into the system? I wont be able to make is myself, but I will help out as best as I can and get the word out to the people about it.
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Old 04-24-2004, 11:07 AM   #555
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OK I've got another question for you guys,
how come yall like the rc10L2 but not the rc10l3???

Looks like i'm going to buy a pan car for the robot ... just needs to be the fastest 1/10th scale platform around.. please help.. thanks!!!

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