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Old 02-17-2004, 12:53 PM   #196
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In the past in Europe, we've tried to do this..and it was a little succes however it was very competitive for all drivers even if there're from factory team or other...Now, me i think,it'll be a good ideas tires but other things i don't really know becauce i never tried it..
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Old 02-17-2004, 01:00 PM   #197
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Boomer your answer has some good point and we've found the same blem in Europe for sedan or Pro10 in the past.
But i don't know how it work in USA for restrict motor because here we never knew why we got blem with standart class. So it's normal if you come in Europe,you will find only Open class or 17T in sedan.
Sino what do think? Or can you give me the way to include in my federation rules a standart class as you in US.

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boomer it was just an idea to see the response but if we did choose a tire limit it would be inline with the locals and the testing before the race i mean it would be a resonable amount of tires as far as compound it would be a range of tires but for the most part it just to see what the majority of us (the racers) would like.
it wouldnt be a handout type tire thing boomer we dont care what compound you use but limit the sets because the factory guys get as many tires as they need but if you limit everyone the playing field would level out a little because now you also need to set the car up to where you have to conserve tires .
its just an idea iam sure this one wont fly.
it will most likely go as open tires anyway.
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When touring cars came they where cheap very fun to drive becouse you could slide, brake, jump over curbs, run on untreated surface where realistic, ect. Even touring cars have problems. They became to expensive becouse of the different tires, motor limits, unrealistic body's ect.
Pro ten mod eats tires like crazy and now with the newer battery's and motors even more but it fast and thus cool.

What all organisations need to do is keep everything in SCALE. Touring cars with 4 door 2 liter saloon looking like body's should be 180mm wide. Or if they want to use 190mm the rules should say to use DTM or GT1 looking like body's (NSX, Supra, Corvette, ect.). Pro 10 cars should use 200mm wide body's like the Tamiya LM series and limit tires becouse the will eat them to. 235mm wide it more like 1/8 scale so you should name it 1/8 scale.

You may say: Yeah but 235mm is faster. Of course it is but we are model car racers so people who say that could use only a wing as a body or no cockpit and so on.

If the organisations would be more strict about that we would all race more realistic car's that therefore arn't that much slower (I bet a Tamiya NSX is as fast as a Protoform touring body) and a lot more apealing for outsider's AND girls. Look at Kyosho mini-Z cars. They have great succes becouse they are fast AND realistic looking.
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As of today, February 17, 2004, I am now accepting offers for hosting the 1st Annual U.S. Pan Car Championships. All information about tracks can be sent to me at [email protected]. The tentative date right now is March 2005. There will be pan and oval classes for both 10th and 12th scale 4 AND 6 cell (oval will likely have both, onroad is being debated).

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Old 02-17-2004, 02:58 PM   #201
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barry white is correct about the scale model ruling it should be the narrow 200mm cars with correct tru to scale bodys
what the manufactures need to do is take all the popular 12 scale gtp bodies and make to fit the narrow pancar chassis come on the oval guys use the 200 mm chassis with the scale correct bodies!
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I miss racing 1/10 pan cars! I think 6-cell stock or 19 could be very good. I think 4-cell would not be nearly as much fun, not to mention it would be more of a battery war with 4 cell
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barry white is correct about the scale model ruling it should be the narrow 200mm cars with correct tru to scale bodys
what the manufactures need to do is take all the popular 12 scale gtp bodies and make to fit the narrow pancar chassis come on the oval guys use the 200 mm chassis with the scale correct bodies!
Strangely enough, the 235mm cars are truer to the GTP/LMP/LeMans cars they are modeled after than are the 200mm cars. The only reason AE (the only one making the narrow cars that I know of) made the 200 was to try to make a pan car that could take fairly conventional bodies and make a touring car pan car. . .

so - while I agree with Barry's post, it reinforces the wide cars.

In addition, going narrow will eliminate the Corally's, the Yokomo's, the HPI's, etc. They are all wide. As far as I know, the only car that's narrow is an AE. . .

Barry - Pro10 Mod does not need to eat tires. If you've read the posts from those of us running 8,9,10 turn motors with inexpensive 3300's, we aren't chewing up the tires any faster than a lot of sedans are. Toaddy goes a LONG time (a couple of months. . .) on the same set of tires. Of course Thirdplace used to use his front tires as brakes so he ate those up quite quickly - he's gotten a LOT smoother (grrrrr!) and they last a lot longer.

The Tamiya bodies are NOT as fast as a hotbodies. Been there, done that. They don't have the downforce needed. Believe me - I know what I'm talking about. . . I've tried bodies from just about everywhere. (btw, you don't see so many Kyosho mini-cars around Southern California. . .)

So - points are: 1. 235 is more accurate to the actual GTP/LMP cars. 2. Manufacturers except AE made primarily 235 cars - limit it to 200 and alienate those manufacturers.
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Old 02-17-2004, 06:56 PM   #206
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Jo Boomer.
I can't think of a real car that is 2,35 meters wide. Real GTP cars are 2000 to 2100 mm wide. So 200 mm in 1/10 scale.

Narrow cars are made by Asso and Corally, where made by Tech Racing and Yokomo had a 4 Cell proto.

If we want to bring back Pro 10 not only in small groups and becomes big again (becouse they look great in 200 mm ), we'll get a world championship again and believe me these eat tires (I only say we should limit the number of tires).

I know Tamiya body have less downforce but I don't say they have to be EXACTLY scaled down. Look at the old Tamiya 1/12 Porsche. It hadn't a separate wing but was (back in 1987) as fast as any other body. BTW a 1/12 HB Ferrari 333 looks quite nice allready. If those flat cooki body's where not allowed nobody would care about a Tamiya racing a body.
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I've never heard of so many guys scared of a car being "too fast". In other classes people are constantly trying to go faster than they do today. Look how much faster 1/10 nitro sedan has gotten over the last few years. This year turbo plugs have been allowed. Are they getting scared that's it's too fast? I think each track's individual racers should dictate what works and what doesn't. 6 cell stock is great at a track like So Cal but mod is pretty dicey. However at a track like Revelation, 6 cell stock is way too slow (with the current layout). Hell I'd like to try 7 cell mod at Rev! 9 turn is barely enough because of battery limitations. We still have to run relatively conservative gearing to make five minutes, but the nice thing about that is that it seems to be easy on the motor. Tires wear incredibly well (granted they are exotics), but certainly no more expensive than other types of tires out there in the long run (rubber, nitro foams). Most of all I hate all the restrictions that a lot of you guys are coming up with- we need less rules, and more fun. Quit worrying so much about the newbies. They'll figure out what they can and can't handle, and will decide on their own if they want to step up to modified or six cell or whatever, or just play with their T-Maxxes. If they want to run four cell while the fast guys are running 6, so be it, but don't tell the fast guys who love six cell they have to run four. There's a sure way to attract racers- not. Teching cars at big races is already a pain, and it gets worse and worse every year, especially in 1/10 nitro sedan right now. Let's be more "inclusive" than "exclusive". Make it easy for guys who drive sedans to just pop their batts and electronics into another car with relatively no mods. Make them realize how much faster and cheaper the class can be. And most of all be nice to them as you are blowing them off the track!

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barry white is correct about the scale model ruling it should be the narrow 200mm cars with correct tru to scale bodys
what the manufactures need to do is take all the popular 12 scale gtp bodies and make to fit the narrow pancar chassis come on the oval guys use the 200 mm chassis with the scale correct bodies!
I really seriously doubt that the manufacturer's will change all there body designs to accomodate a small group of scale racing enthusiasts. Doesn't make any economic sense. Not to rag on you too much either but an occasional period in your prose would be nice for us illiterates.
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Agree with Kevink2 as well. This is racing. "Stock Car" Racing do not resemble their showroom counterparts anymore than the nasty stratus bodies we put on our TC's.

Scale racing and bringing back pro 10 have very little direct correllation.

Now on the other hand, Video did kill the radio star.

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