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Old 12-15-2017, 01:40 PM
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In the front? It would mean that you would have moving lower arms, which is largely prohibited in the category right?
Not Necessarily, the RCDevil car which is the development of the Hazenbach has suspension arms in the front, and their is another handbuilt top notch car running a modified JRXS TC front end, with the option for a brake.

Look at 1:12 lately with the R12.

Depends on Club/Governance rules.
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I thought about that too, but wasn't sure about screwing up the front ride height... although I see some guys use spacers to lower the front of the chassis.
With so many kits using Associated suspension, one of the existing pieces from somewhere would have to be a bolt-on fit, right?
If you want to use a MIX Porsche, you'll want bigger tyres or it just won't look right (I mean not trued down carpet tyres,. but something in the 60mm range). With bigger tyres you'll need spacers to get ride height correct, so a cross plate would work well. I"m not aware of any available that would do the job though. Mightt be worth talking to Tobias at VIP.
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Originally Posted by MidgetRacer8192
Some stuff I forgot to ask... as I was trying to find bodies, I see that there are variations in front width of the cars. Since I don't have an adjustable front width on mine, and I know I would not be able to stand the tires being tucked way inside the body, what ones would fit a RC10L2 in the front correctly?
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I thought about that too, but wasn't sure about screwing up the front ride height... although I see some guys use spacers to lower the front of the chassis.
With so many kits using Associated suspension, one of the existing pieces from somewhere would have to be a bolt-on fit, right?
It's very easy to make your own plates to change the front track, if you have a vise, hacksaw, and drill. I made mine from some 1/8" thick fiberglass; aluminum would work well too. It doesn't need to be one piece all the way across; two pieces--one for each wheel-- work fine.

In addition to increasing the front track, I also offset the holes a little front-to-rear, so I can adjust wheelbase by flipping the parts.

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Awesomatix inspiration


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Oh my goodness!!!!

A small improvement would be to center the motor on the center line of the car

By the way, where did you cut your carbon parts and milled your aluminium part?

Very nice!

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Now that's one cool looking pan car!
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Wow! Inspiring! Parts aand ideas from corally, awesomatrix, vip? Yokomo... Beautiful! Maybe overkill in front but still...
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Impressive car, but you are using Ax shocks only for the damping parts?

I can see that you have multiple configuration for side-links. What is the influence of having parallel side-links or not on the pod movement?

Beautiful work...
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Airwave, i know you have enjoyed the Pro10 forum on PetitRC.

But here is the MasterCreation EVO. from our friends in Germany. Built 2012 to 2013
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... MasterCreation Evo4...
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Yeah I'm familiar with these masterpieces, but I always considered that addin so much weight on the front was useless, especially based on the work the front wheel are providing lol

I browse a few forums for inspiration, PetitRC, moosi-masters, what I can find lol

Have you some videos of these cars? I've never had the chance to see them run...
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I should be able to, let me see. Frank Büsener is the creator, his local club is Oberhausen I believe. Lately he has focused on EuroGT.

I am on Moosimasters too.

The weight is negated to some extent, as they run pretty aggressive 10.5T on 2S.

The Hazenbach did awesome, that the active wing transfer to the pod on it was great too!

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Originally Posted by Scott_T
If you want to use a MIX Porsche, you'll want bigger tyres or it just won't look right (I mean not trued down carpet tyres,. but something in the 60mm range). With bigger tyres you'll need spacers to get ride height correct, so a cross plate would work well. I"m not aware of any available that would do the job though. Mightt be worth talking to Tobias at VIP.
that is interesting info. I didn't even think about tire size differences with the different bodies, or even realize that they had different front sizes like that.

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It's very easy to make your own plates to change the front track, if you have a vise, hacksaw, and drill. I made mine from some 1/8" thick fiberglass; aluminum would work well too. It doesn't need to be one piece all the way across; two pieces--one for each wheel-- work fine.

In addition to increasing the front track, I also offset the holes a little front-to-rear, so I can adjust wheelbase by flipping the parts.
yea, I know it is definitely doable, and I have done that before many times, but I really prefer off the shelf parts for time savings & ease of replacement. I hate re-inventing the wheel on that type of stuff, because I've run into those little nagging issues with custom parts before.
If I was being really serious & diving deep into things like I used to be, not a problem. But I really want to be simple about it for now. I'm burnt out on fabrication for a bit from my real race car.



also, just for clarification on my end... do all the Associated front ends use the same mounting hole pattern?
I have both the regular L2 front end, and a newer R5 front end kit.

so, I guess since I am thinking about it more now... would it be possible to put someones adjustable "production" arm plate onto an L2 chassis? I figure I probably have to drill new mounting holes for that plate at least, but if I could just order something like this & mount it, that'd be awesome.
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Up to the RC10L4 they used the same mounting, which was also industry standard back then, TRC, AE, Bolink, Cheetah, Delta etc. Back in the day, many would run different front ends offered, BUD's SM, Trinity, Cheetah, AE Reactive Caster etc. etc.

Now after the L4 and since the RC10r5 it has changed. Some have adapted a plate to mount the R5 front end to their older chassis, even some on f1 cars.
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Originally Posted by 1/8 IC Fan
Up until the RC10L4 they used the same mounting, which was also industry standard back then, TRC, AE, Bolink, Cheetah, Delta etc. Back in the day, many would run different front ends offered, BUD's SM, Trinity, Cheetah, AE Reactive Caster etc. etc.

Now since the RC10r5 it has changed. Some have adapted a plate to mount the R5 front end to their older chassis, even some on f1 cars.
gotcha. without all my parts in one place to measure (and being at work), it's tough to figure it all out. thank you!
so with that info, is it safe to assume that the current cars that use Associated front ends would be set up for the newer R5 parts over the older L2 ones? that would make the idea of trying to find a production plate more sensible... but ideally something intended for the L2 would be best.
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