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Old 08-21-2009, 09:58 AM   #46
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there will be a new TRF416MSXXXXXXXXXX Jilles edition

with the seperate suspension blocks and the 20 tooth centre belt pulleys and black front and rear pulleys

Xray will bring out the T2-10 with multi coloured alloy and expensave drive shafts that snap when you look at them
Is there an S401 in the making too?
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HarryN and RossoTorro you are both right on the money! However, you need to get organized like I posted previously and email the magazines and the manufacturers and distributors and let them know how you feel about their blatant bias towards off-road and it's offshoots like crawling.

Don't listen to some of the naysayers on this thread that let the magazines, manufacturers and distributors off the hook by saying they are only going where the money is and that after all they are running a business and therefore cater to the majority.

I don't buy that excuse because THEY are the very ones guilty of creating that majority, because most people out there are like sheep who can be influenced and led in whatever direction corporate America ( and yes folks, they are part of corporate America) wants them to go. The real reason the magazines focus on all this offroad is because in truth I think they are mostly a bunch of little boys who never really grew out of the Tonka Truck playing in the sandbox phase and therefore that type of thing is what they prefer to write about. Yet, when you turn on your tv to watch auto racing 99% of what you see is ON-ROAD racing whether it's F1, NASCAR, Indy Car, Le Mans,
Touring, etc., and when we watch those races we therefore want to race an rc car that resembles them. Most of your off-road fans are NOT racers but backyard bashers who just want to play like little boys in the sandbox.

If I sound insensitive to the off road people well, I'm sorry but even you have to agree that this blatant bias towards you and against on-road is just too much! How can you not see it!

So , again I say that we need to get organized and start emailing en mass those magazines, distributors and manufacturers to let ourselves be heard!
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Is there really a 416 Jilles editon coming out?
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Most of your off-road fans are NOT racers but backyard bashers who just want to play like little boys in the sandbox.
i love this line.
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And to finish I only know of one club propped by a shop but that's in Adelaide. And that shop is one of the best because they import all their stuff directly and sell it in their shop. No overheads, no tax this and tax that and a million idiots who don't have a clue what they're selling and fat chicks doing nothing around the desk. Those guys race the stuff they sell and they know it inside out, and their prices are on par or better than overseas (HK, Taiwan, etc), plus they do telephone orders and ship interstate overnight. Such service is rare in Australia. That's how they stay competitive. That's the lesson others still have to digest.
Let me just chime in here as i live in Adelaide. We do not have a huge scene but with all the politics and bull shit this track and shop have caused they have done some big damage to the Adelaide scene that is only being rectified by a core group of racers who have taken over an old facility and poured thousands of their own money into rebuilding it.

This particular club you speak of that is sponsored by the shop is not very supported and the shop does not sell anything that the local racers use. they would be lucky to have 20 turn up to race on an average night for nitro off road and they are lucky to get 10 to run on road at any stage. This shop will only sell what they want to and that is fine if they want to do that but what they dont do, which is vital for any business to survive is to listen to the racers and try and support what they want to race.

THEY DO NOT DO THIS AT ALL.

They love Hong Nor, Yokomo and Hpi and that about says it all. They will only allow people to race products that they sell so if its on road they only have a Hyper 10 class with spec motors and batteries and these are crappy 23 turn brushed motors and 1700 Nimhs. They conveniently have massive stocks of these crap products to sell to racers for $35 au for batteries and $25 au for motors. They do not stock any of the top of the range hpi stuff and will not do so. They do not stock any Tamiya, Xray, or Corrally products and these are the most raced chassis locally with at least 6 running corrally a handful of tamiyas and about 8 xray off the top of my head. They do keep some associated stuff only because they have to as they want to sell B4's and B44's and if anyone comes into the shop to look at electric stuff they steer them over to the hyper 10 and yokomo Drift RTRs and dont show anybody anything else.

Getting back to this original discussion they also have a carpeted off road track that is well supported by their hyper 7 and open class and that's about it. This is proof that the off road is being pushed and not on road. They discourage the members of the other off road clubs coming to race with them as they do not buy these kits they want to flog off. They also have a purpose built indoor asphalt on road track that is awesome and the only people using it other than the Hyper 10 lovers are the Nitro drifters as with their buy and race policy no one goes there to race. And with a track having Nitro spewed onto it by the out of tune drift motors there is minimal grip available for anything to get down.

SO this shop that is meant to be the best in OZ stinks like 4 week old moldy Cheese that's been in the hot sun inside a smelly Nitro body

Which is about the best any nitro can get imo.....
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stinks like 4 week old moldy Cheese that's been in the hot sun inside a smelly Nitro body

Which is about the best any nitro can get imo.....
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I stand by everything I have said, and I make no apologies to the magazines, manufacturers and distributors and the off-road set. The truth is the truth and it is high time we on-road fans woke up and try to do something about this!
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HarryN and RossoTorro you are both right on the money! However, you need to get organized like I posted previously and email the magazines and the manufacturers and distributors and let them know how you feel about their blatant bias towards off-road and it's offshoots like crawling.

Don't listen to some of the naysayers on this thread that let the magazines, manufacturers and distributors off the hook by saying they are only going where the money is and that after all they are running a business and therefore cater to the majority.

I don't buy that excuse because THEY are the very ones guilty of creating that majority, because most people out there are like sheep who can be influenced and led in whatever direction corporate America ( and yes folks, they are part of corporate America) wants them to go. The real reason the magazines focus on all this offroad is because in truth I think they are mostly a bunch of little boys who never really grew out of the Tonka Truck playing in the sandbox phase and therefore that type of thing is what they prefer to write about. Yet, when you turn on your tv to watch auto racing 99% of what you see is ON-ROAD racing whether it's F1, NASCAR, Indy Car, Le Mans,
Touring, etc., and when we watch those races we therefore want to race an rc car that resembles them. Most of your off-road fans are NOT racers but backyard bashers who just want to play like little boys in the sandbox.

If I sound insensitive to the off road people well, I'm sorry but even you have to agree that this blatant bias towards you and against on-road is just too much! How can you not see it!

So , again I say that we need to get organized and start emailing en mass those magazines, distributors and manufacturers to let ourselves be heard!
So my big gripe is that they could cover both on-road and off-road. No need to stop doing one or the other. They should give equal attention to both scenes.

I, for one, am not renewing my RC Driver Subscription nor my R/C Car Action until changes are made.
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I have not picked up an RC Magazine in years because of this. Its not only recently that they started to suck.

I dont even know WTH happened to race coverage... but it seems like racing gets 2-3 pages.. ads get 60 and the rest... well.. nonsense.

We are a small market though-- i thought i heard somewhere that 99% of all RC cars purchased world wide, never see a track.. and i can buy that. maybe not that extreme of a number... but it certainly is something like that.

I would love to see magazines show more support to racing. After all, they are the media outlet for us.

If racing isnt in the magazines, then no one will know there is racing..

and if onroad isnt in the magazines much-- then people will head towards off road.. and so on..

perhaps each issue could have a nice split in it.. front half, offroad, back half- on road??

perhaps instead of the 2.5 pages of coverage for races... they could run nice special inserts like RCCA used to do when the worlds was something EVERYONE wanted to hear about.. i think it was the 93 worlds- there was an insert added to the mag... a whole little magazine of its own...

should be one for every major event--- worlds, IIC, Euros... and then the nats and sub nats could have better articles.. I mean, the Halloween Classic in Cleveland.. has that ever made a magazine? its 3rd largest onroad race in the country..

if i ran the world.... right??
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HarryN and Keith Billanti you are both right on the money!!!! Unfair biased coverage towards off-road. The public does'nt really know any better and therefore will be influenced by those magazines to buy off-road and not even consider on-road, just the same as tv comercials and shows influence what we the buying public think is cool and therefore buy; the rc magazines are doing the same to the public. Shame on them!!!

So, do us all a favor and email those very points you made to the magazines and others. Tell your friends to do the same, PLEASE!!!! I will be!!
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Its a catch 22 situation - give a class coverage and it becomes popular.....and earns more coverage......becomes even more popular etc.
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Well I just sent a scathing email to RC Car Action regarding their biased coverage of off-road rc. Tomorrow I will send one to RC Car magazine and then Xtreme RC and then RC Driver. However in RC Drivers' defense they have an article/test of the new Tamiya F104 Pro in their newest issue as well as an article about RCGT Racing and an article/test of the XRay T2R Pro.

So they at least tried this time. However yet another off-road vehicle is on the cover again!!

Please follow my lead on this everyone!
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Well I just sent a scathing email to RC Car Action regarding their biased coverage of off-road rc. Tomorrow I will send one to RC Car magazine and then Xtreme RC and then RC Driver. However in RC Drivers' defense they have an article/test of the new Tamiya F104 Pro in their newest issue as well as an article about RCGT Racing and an article/test of the XRay T2R Pro.

So they at least tried this time. However yet another off-road vehicle is on the cover again!!

Please follow my lead on this everyone!
Our August 2009 issue has
XRAY T2009
Kyosho V-One RRR
Reedy Race Coverage

And we always have 2 pages for an on-road column, and 2 pages for an oval column.

So I'm not sure where the lost coverage is. We don't cover as much because the current "hot topics" are no TC.
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Our August 2009 issue has
XRAY T2009
Kyosho V-One RRR
Reedy Race Coverage

And we always have 2 pages for an on-road column, and 2 pages for an oval column.

So I'm not sure where the lost coverage is. We don't cover as much because the current "hot topics" are no TC.
Not trying to be a "S" disturber-- but the 009 has been out for ages.. heck, there is probably a "10" a couple months away--

there was a time, when the cars were reviewed BEFORE they came out. Not after the company has already sold 2000 units..

and 2 pages for an onroad column? Its always that specific? maybe thats the problem.. there are 2 pages for Onroad--- 30 for ads (im not knocking ads, by any means--- i know they pay the bills, and i rather enjoy them).. but what about the other 80 pgs??

cmon now.
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Hopefully XRC can give some more love to on-road and I will re-subscribe but it certainly seemed for a while there it was just about Rock Crawling. Loved XRC the first 2-3 years of my subscription and the last 1-2 it started to interest me less.
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