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Old 11-16-2004, 01:26 AM   #196
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Old 11-16-2004, 01:43 AM   #198
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I found exactly what I needed to know!
Thank you!
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Old 11-16-2004, 01:57 AM   #199
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Just to be 100% sure:
Can I cut the comm on this motor with a regular mod motor lathe?
So I could also adjsut the shimming on this motor? I do not need to bend away some parts of the can to open the motor, like on an old school stock motor?
I usually run 12turns EFRA spec motors, like EPIC flatliners and Trinity Nitronite motors, so I don't want to buy a new comm lathe to run a 19turn spec motor!
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nope just pop off the two screws and there you go and no any mod lathe will work
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Old 11-16-2004, 04:45 AM   #201
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I am asking, because I don't see the screws in the picture.
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Old 11-16-2004, 04:51 AM   #202
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Pro ten Holland - Nobody runs sealed endbell motors in the US any more. All the current Stock, 19t and mod motors are all rebuildable(take the arm out to cut). The quad mag is basically a reedy KR with a 19t arm and the endbell locked at 24* timing.
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Don't rule out the Orion Element V2 Super Stocks. They are awesome - they run nice and cool, you can gear them up, they have decent punch and best of all, you can race them multiple meetings between skims. There is hardly any wear at all.

Performance between the V2 and the Reedy Quad? Well let's just say that no one running the V2 where I race is lacking any speed. Total domination.

What I'd like to see is a quad V2 - it's only a matter of time before a spec version becomes legal.
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Old 11-16-2004, 05:18 AM   #204
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The V2 19T just doesn't make the RPMs to keep up with laydown motors. Simple law of physics.
The round brushes act like standups so it is short of revs and lacks the torque to make up for that.

Maybe you can get away with using a V2 on shorter tracks but certainly not on the large tracks we run at in The Netherlans.
(Think 1:8 en 1:5 scale tracks)
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Strangely, I've always found motors with stand-up brushes seem to work better for me. Motors like the old Reedy Fury etc. I've tried 'normal' endbell superstock motors - out of my Orion Element motors, I prefer the standup brush motor every time. It's more consistent.

However, I race 1/10th TC indoors on carpet - probably the main factor influencing my perceptions.

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Old 11-16-2004, 05:42 AM   #206
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Check the graph at:

http://www.vassago.demon.nl/19tspec.jpg

The solid line is the Orion V2 19T spec, the other one is a Corally 19T spec.

Geared the same they will accelerate just as quick until about halfway than the Corally will outdistance the Orion.
If you gear the Orion for the same topend you will come up short out of corners.
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OK thanks for the info guys!

Just for info: the motor will be used to run indoor 19turn TC.
Not by me! I will always prefer a pan car over a slowdan!
There's no faster way to get a battery around a 1/8th gas track than a pro ten, and no faster way to get a battery pack around an indoor course than 1/12th! Costs less too!
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yeah t scews aren't visible there in there though its a great motor i have a bunch of them and have no complaints
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Quote:
Originally posted by vassago
Check the graph at:

http://www.vassago.demon.nl/19tspec.jpg

The solid line is the Orion V2 19T spec, the other one is a Corally 19T spec.

Geared the same they will accelerate just as quick until about halfway than the Corally will outdistance the Orion.
If you gear the Orion for the same topend you will come up short out of corners.
Interesting - thanks for the link.

The corally motor is certainly impressive - I have a couple, including a 8 double.

What this graph doesn't show, however, is just how cool the V2 remains, even when pulling comparitively tall gear ratios. Also, the V2 keeps performing well race after race without needing a skim - so motor life is excellent, for .

For touring cars - which are obviously heavier - the V2 motors seem ideal to me. They didn't do too bad at the TC worlds either!!
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The V2 is certainly interesting, just not performance wise.

It did well on the worlds, but remember that are low winds which are normally run with stand-up brushes and variable timing instead of a fixed 24 degrees. So they are not a compareble to 19T spec motors.
Also the other half were "normal" motors, mostly the Reedy Ti. (The LRP is a Reedy Ti too) so that doesn't prove a lot. Rheinhard would have won with any motor
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