Novak Ballistic goes Spec
08-19-2009, 08:03 AM
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Steve Weis is the stock factory set timing on the Ballistic 17.5 the same at the SS Pro 17.5? Just trying to see when and if I change motors my gearing is the same or if I need to change it some.
Is the stock timing on the Ballistic 13.5 and SS Pro 13.5 the same timing?
Thanks
Brian
Is the stock timing on the Ballistic 13.5 and SS Pro 13.5 the same timing?
Thanks
Brian
08-19-2009, 08:34 AM
#78
Steve Weis is the stock factory set timing on the Ballistic 17.5 the same at the SS Pro 17.5? Just trying to see when and if I change motors my gearing is the same or if I need to change it some.
Is the stock timing on the Ballistic 13.5 and SS Pro 13.5 the same timing?
Thanks
Brian
Is the stock timing on the Ballistic 13.5 and SS Pro 13.5 the same timing?
Thanks
Brian
I pulled a Novak 13.5 (an EX upgraded to sintered rotor, etc. -- essentially an SS Pro 13.5 except in appearance) and replaced it with a Ballistic 13.5, and I did drop the pinion one tooth, but with that minor adjustment, the performance was slightly stronger on the track (offroad XXXT-CR), temps were about the same... My guess is that, as implied in some of their press releases, the Ballistic is just a high quality, more versatile version of the SS Pro line of motors, with more flexibility and replacement options...
08-19-2009, 08:35 AM
#79
Steve Weis is the stock factory set timing on the Ballistic 17.5 the same at the SS Pro 17.5? Just trying to see when and if I change motors my gearing is the same or if I need to change it some.
Is the stock timing on the Ballistic 13.5 and SS Pro 13.5 the same timing?
Thanks
Brian
Is the stock timing on the Ballistic 13.5 and SS Pro 13.5 the same timing?
Thanks
Brian
08-19-2009, 09:15 AM
#80
Ballistic Motor Timing Information Update (Preliminary)
In an effort to answer a number of questions relating to motor timing we have compiled some information to help you better understand static motor timing and its effects with our Ballistic Series of motors.
“How many Degrees of Timing does my Ballistic Motor have?”
Our Ballistic motors come with their timing calibrated and set from the factory. Using custom built and calibrated electronic equipment we set each and every motor to 30 degrees of timing. After Calibration the timing label is added and this set timing corresponds to the “N” on the timing label on the side
Each line on the label denotes a 5 degree change, so the timing available on the motor the label corresponds as follows:
-3 -2 -1 N +1 +2 +3
15 20 25 30 35 40 45
N = 30 (rows do not line up correctly)
SPECIAL NOTE: The timing we are describing is the ACTUAL ELECTRICAL TIMING in the motor, not just some arbitrarily reference made from a point on the outside of the motor like many of our competitors' motors. This makes comparing timing settings between different brands of motors difficult without the proper equipment.
“What Does Timing Adjustment do?”
We set our timing at an optimized point for most general applications. Adjusting the timing should only be done in small increments and with great care to observe the changes in system performance and temperatures.
WE RECOMMEND THAT YOUR SYSTEM’S TEMPERATURE NEVER EXCEED 160 DEGREES FARENHEIGHT.
When adjusting the timing, we recommend adjusting the timing, at most, 1 notch, or 5 degrees at a time.
When you turn the timing up to a more positive number (from N to +1) your motor will produce more no-load RPM and generally suffer a slight reduction in torque. To combat excessive heating brought about the loss of torque we recommend gearing down 1 tooth on the pinion for each notch (5 degree increment).
When turning the timing down, to a more negative number (from N to -1) your motor will produce less no-load RPM and generally experience an increase in torque. To combat a loss of top end speed brought about by the loss of RPM we recommend gearing up 1 tooth on the pinion for each notch (5 degree increment).
In an effort to answer a number of questions relating to motor timing we have compiled some information to help you better understand static motor timing and its effects with our Ballistic Series of motors.
“How many Degrees of Timing does my Ballistic Motor have?”
Our Ballistic motors come with their timing calibrated and set from the factory. Using custom built and calibrated electronic equipment we set each and every motor to 30 degrees of timing. After Calibration the timing label is added and this set timing corresponds to the “N” on the timing label on the side
Each line on the label denotes a 5 degree change, so the timing available on the motor the label corresponds as follows:
-3 -2 -1 N +1 +2 +3
15 20 25 30 35 40 45
N = 30 (rows do not line up correctly)
SPECIAL NOTE: The timing we are describing is the ACTUAL ELECTRICAL TIMING in the motor, not just some arbitrarily reference made from a point on the outside of the motor like many of our competitors' motors. This makes comparing timing settings between different brands of motors difficult without the proper equipment.
“What Does Timing Adjustment do?”
We set our timing at an optimized point for most general applications. Adjusting the timing should only be done in small increments and with great care to observe the changes in system performance and temperatures.
WE RECOMMEND THAT YOUR SYSTEM’S TEMPERATURE NEVER EXCEED 160 DEGREES FARENHEIGHT.
When adjusting the timing, we recommend adjusting the timing, at most, 1 notch, or 5 degrees at a time.
When you turn the timing up to a more positive number (from N to +1) your motor will produce more no-load RPM and generally suffer a slight reduction in torque. To combat excessive heating brought about the loss of torque we recommend gearing down 1 tooth on the pinion for each notch (5 degree increment).
When turning the timing down, to a more negative number (from N to -1) your motor will produce less no-load RPM and generally experience an increase in torque. To combat a loss of top end speed brought about by the loss of RPM we recommend gearing up 1 tooth on the pinion for each notch (5 degree increment).
08-19-2009, 10:38 AM
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Looks like more Novak motors for me.
Wow that sounds weird coming from me but hell the Ballistic is awesome IMO. Guess I will be scooping up a few more Novaks.
08-19-2009, 10:39 AM
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FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH...
I pulled a Novak 13.5 (an EX upgraded to sintered rotor, etc. -- essentially an SS Pro 13.5 except in appearance) and replaced it with a Ballistic 13.5, and I did drop the pinion one tooth, but with that minor adjustment, the performance was slightly stronger on the track (offroad XXXT-CR), temps were about the same... My guess is that, as implied in some of their press releases, the Ballistic is just a high quality, more versatile version of the SS Pro line of motors, with more flexibility and replacement options...
I pulled a Novak 13.5 (an EX upgraded to sintered rotor, etc. -- essentially an SS Pro 13.5 except in appearance) and replaced it with a Ballistic 13.5, and I did drop the pinion one tooth, but with that minor adjustment, the performance was slightly stronger on the track (offroad XXXT-CR), temps were about the same... My guess is that, as implied in some of their press releases, the Ballistic is just a high quality, more versatile version of the SS Pro line of motors, with more flexibility and replacement options...
08-19-2009, 10:42 AM
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NovakTwo excellent info. That really helps explain alot. For me I want to stick with one brand of motor and know as much as I can about them. This way I can learn gearing and know from motor to motor I know what to expect performance wise and what to gear. Switching motors all the time in brushless is to me alot different than brushed motors ever where.
08-19-2009, 10:47 AM
#84
Earlier someone asked about Ballistic Light motors. We will be adding a couple of Ballistic "Light" wound stators to our accessories in a couple of weeks.
08-19-2009, 11:05 AM
#85
GTB ?
Im thinking about getting a GTB to use in my CRC genx 10, but i have a ?. Is the gtb okay to use on 1 cell lipo & does the LVC go low enough to protect the 1 cell lipo ?. Thank's
08-19-2009, 11:09 AM
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08-19-2009, 11:15 AM
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The GTB should work fine with the use of a 1S LiPo in conjunction with our Smart Boost Module.
08-19-2009, 11:40 AM
#88
We have just announced our new Havoc 1S controller and 3 systems (10.5, 13.5, amd 17.5) specifically customized for single cell racing. We incorporated our SmartBoost technology into the Havoc platform eliminating the need for boosters or external receiver packs in 1S racing.
08-19-2009, 12:14 PM
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We have just announced our new Havoc 1S controller and 3 systems (10.5, 13.5, amd 17.5) specifically customized for single cell racing. We incorporated our SmartBoost technology into the Havoc platform eliminating the need for boosters or external receiver packs in 1S racing.
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08-20-2009, 11:07 AM
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We will be offering a motor plate accessory for installations in more limited spaces----similar to our earlier GTB-4 Cell version. Depending on future single cell uses and applications, we may offer the Havoc 1S esc with the plate installed.