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Old 07-17-2009, 02:13 PM   #46
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My point is that modified on one track is going to be different than modified on another. Mofiedi could be 13.5 on some tracks, and it could be 3.5 on others. But the better more experienced drivers need to step up to modified so that there is room at the bottom for others.
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When this all changes , I'm coming back ......
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What is the point of guys like me running mod? I dont get paid, I have no place to practice. This is the case with a lot of the good Super Stock guys.

I dont give 2 craps about what guys like Rick Howart think of me. I pay every penny out of my pocket to go to these big races and choose to compete in a class that I feel comfortable in. I have a great time in Super stock classes running against people like Drew, Schreff, Kevin, Dayger, Brad, EJ and the like. Sponsors arent interested in guys like us entering mod and finishing at the top of the B or whatever. Its easy to say "Stop dominating super stock and move up to mod" if you work in the rc industry and have been racing for 30 years.

Guys that are factory guys that have no other job than Race rc cars are on another level hence the reason they run mod and guys like me do not. I cant practice 10 hours a day a month and barely a year. If I was getting paid to race I guarantee I could compete with anyone in this country but I probably never will get paid to race RC cars so I have no interest in running mod.

The state of onroad electric is in its downturn, I'm sure it will pick back up eventually. Brushless and lipo did not make racing any easier for anyone except the guys that dont care how fast they are, and I know that is about 10 percent of the people out there. New batteries, new motors, new software new speedos out every month. Its hard to keep up with it all.

The decline in onroad is due to the operating costs of a sizeable indoor tracks and the fact that the price of cars started to get wayyyy out of hand over the past couple years.

There are no carpet tracks within 3 hours of me and the next closest one is about 5-6 hours away.
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Old 07-17-2009, 02:27 PM   #48
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I've been to a few races, and near as I can tell, there is nothing for sure in racing, there are chances of probability being better for some over others, but there is nothing thats saying one guy is going to win if he enters a race, and I think thats what keeps guys racing, that one chance, where your'e preparation and luck is just that one position better than the next guy. If your going to a race with a losing attitude why bother going? The challange of getting these small land rockets hooked up and working just right and then stringing a whole 6 minute run togeather is one of the greatest feelings at a race, beating another guy for the win, well thats just the icing on the cake. We have guys that show up to big races, with concourse winning bodies, they could care less where they finish, as long as they look good. Lots of guys taking more pride in how their wiring looks. This hobby is what ever you make it. But if its only about winning, well then, you're chances of being happy are being very limited.
We really need to go back to stock and mod, period. Keep the money guys out of stock. Just like the old days in 1/12th.
Rick, I was just thinking, its been 23 years since I last talked to you in Vegas, and I'm really looking forward to talking to you again in September.

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What is the point of guys like me running mod? I dont get paid, I have no place to practice. This is the case with a lot of the good Super Stock guys.

I dont give 2 craps about what guys like Rick Howart think of me. I pay every penny out of my pocket to go to these big races and choose to compete in a class that I feel comfortable in. I have a great time in Super stock classes running against people like Drew, Schreff, Kevin, Dayger, Brad, EJ and the like. Sponsors arent interested in guys like us entering mod and finishing at the top of the B or whatever. Its easy to say "Stop dominating super stock and move up to mod" if you work in the rc industry and have been racing for 30 years.

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What if all you guys ran mod? This is not a shot, just a question.
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I dont go to races to finish 2nd in the B or whatever, I want to have a chance to win. Like I said, guys like me are not pro drivers, we dont get paid to race RC cars, it comes out of my pocket. Yes I may get some free stuff but the 1500 bucks its going to cost to go to Vegas gets paid out of my pocket not my sponsors so I'm going to compete in a class i feel I have a chance of winning. I don't feel as if running with guys that do get paid and can practice 8 hours a day makes any sense to me. Just like the guys that just starting out dont want to run against us. It works the same way all the way up the food chain.
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The decline in onroad is due to the operating costs of a sizeable indoor tracks and the fact that the price of cars started to get wayyyy out of hand over the past couple years.

There are no carpet tracks within 3 hours of me and the next closest one is about 5-6 hours away.

I agree with that totally. My nearest track is 2 hours, and its a hassle to get too. Let alone finding a ride when your not even old enough to drive.
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Hey Larry, I'm glad you, shreff, ronny and some of the locals didn't move up to Mod..... It has made me a better driver trying to chase you fast guys around the track!
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Old 07-17-2009, 04:46 PM   #56
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I'v been waiting for the program to be fixed so no longer I see sponsored racers dominating the Stock programs, killing the beginner program just for a win ......

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thanks for the heads up, just one more reason for me to sign up for 17.5
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I dont go to races to finish 2nd in the B or whatever, I want to have a chance to win. Like I said, guys like me are not pro drivers, we dont get paid to race RC cars, it comes out of my pocket. Yes I may get some free stuff but the 1500 bucks its going to cost to go to Vegas gets paid out of my pocket not my sponsors so I'm going to compete in a class i feel I have a chance of winning. I don't feel as if running with guys that do get paid and can practice 8 hours a day makes any sense to me. Just like the guys that just starting out dont want to run against us. It works the same way all the way up the food chain.
wanna hear something funny. when i signed up for reedy i signed up for 13.5, then i looked at the list of guys running 13.5 including a couple of local hot shots, then i looked at mod, and said, WTF might as well be in the B of mod then the G of 13.5 i embarassed the hell out of myself by not being able to get the car hooked up and looked like a total jackass until the last day. but its all cool, i learned a few things and had fun.

same thing for vegas, I'm going, to go to vegas, the race is extra, if i run 13.5 i'm going to have to work at finishing in a good spot, running mod, its just for fun and where i end up doesn't matter.

but totally understand where your coming from, thats why i run MASTERS whenever i can.
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I dont go to races to finish 2nd in the B or whatever, I want to have a chance to win. Like I said, guys like me are not pro drivers, we dont get paid to race RC cars, it comes out of my pocket. Yes I may get some free stuff but the 1500 bucks its going to cost to go to Vegas gets paid out of my pocket not my sponsors so I'm going to compete in a class i feel I have a chance of winning. I don't feel as if running with guys that do get paid and can practice 8 hours a day makes any sense to me. Just like the guys that just starting out dont want to run against us. It works the same way all the way up the food chain.
I"m with you Larry. When someone wants to pay my bills to race then they can tell me what class to run. I race 2 times a month now and drive 1 1/2 hours away to race. With everything costing more I have to work longer so that just don't leave me the time I use to have to dedicate to racing like I use to when I was actually good at racing.

I will also say in Larrys defense is he and Schreff as I would say excellent racers in any class they run are always helpful to anyone that askes them for help. Even though they kick my ass repeatedly if I ask for help they try their best to steer me the right direction. Hats off to them for helping guys out. When I race with Schreff at his home track he helps racers all day long when they ask him.

I'm going to race and do my best when I go to a race. I try my best to do well but its not just about racing...........its about hanging out with friends and unwinding after a week of WORK!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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wyd ++1, guys always ask me how the race day is going, geezz, I'm gone for a weekend, away from work, playing with a toy car, how bad can that be.
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