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Old 06-24-2009, 12:13 AM
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Default HPI F10 vs Tamiya F104 Pro

hymm this should get intresting ...espically if it brings F1 racing back to certian areas that havent had it in a while....only question is how are these cars going to be classed the HPI car is set to run a 4cell pack where as the Tamiya car can handle a 6cell and probably be set up to handle a 4cell as well ....decidions decisions

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hymm this should get intresting ...espically if it brings F1 racing back to certian areas that havent had it in a while....only question is how are these cars going to be classed the HPI car is set to run a 4cell pack where as the Tamiya car can handle a 6cell and probably be set up to handle a 4cell as well ....decidions decisions

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Just an FYI, the HPI car can also handle six cells.
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The HPI car is being listed as a 4-cell stick pack car on the HPI website. Without modding the battery holder, is there another battery holder available that will accommodate a 6-cell stick pack battery or lipo battery that will fit a stick pack compartment?

Any car can be modified to make it work, but I think it is better with F1 cars if you can stick as close to box stock or factory supplied upgrades as possible. There isn't enough support in the US for F1 classes if you start having one-off parts and cars that don't perform similarly.
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I wonder if the HPI is wide enough to hangle a 6 cell configuration...what i dont understand is why HPI insists on having a gear diff on their car, offering a ball diff as an upgrade - then will most likely come out with a "pro" version in X number of months.... all about marketing I guess

still I cant wait to see a side by side comparison of the 2
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Just an FYI, the HPI car can also handle six cells.

Correct. It will accept a 6 cell pack.

HPI was in Salt Lake City a few days ago for one of their "Demo Days" events. The Formula 10 car was one of many on display and we were able to look it over. The basic car looks good. The upgrades, like the ball diff, threaded shock, etc are coming as options.
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The gear diff is ideal for parking lot tracks, fit and forget, no need to worry with crud getting in and going notchy.
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Originally Posted by IndyRC_Racer View Post
The HPI car is being listed as a 4-cell stick pack car on the HPI website. Without modding the battery holder, is there another battery holder available that will accommodate a 6-cell stick pack battery or lipo battery that will fit a stick pack compartment?

Any car can be modified to make it work, but I think it is better with F1 cars if you can stick as close to box stock or factory supplied upgrades as possible. There isn't enough support in the US for F1 classes if you start having one-off parts and cars that don't perform similarly.
I don't know why they are showing it as a 4 cell car other than the body possibly being too narrow. That being said, they had a car at a Japanese F1 only race with 6 cells, a ball diff, aluminum pod plates, and Tamiya tires/rims (spec tires for the race) on it. Everything was factory anodized orange, which leads me to believe they understand that they are competing against Tamiya.
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Thanks Madhat

Hopefully these can clear things up a bit. They say a picture is worth a thousand words.

4 Cell/Kit Configuration


6 Cell Configuration. Notice the wider battery retainers.
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thanks for posting those pics up Vyger...

yes, the kit comes setup to handle a 4-cell configuration. there will be the optional 6-cell setup, that offers wider battery mounting braces/bars, as well as a wider body.

the 4-cell out of the box setup allows for slower speeds, easier to drive, less prone to break something, and the gear diff not only allows for a lower price, it is also a much more newbie welcoming design, and does not require makor maintenance...and with the very aggressive pricing this kit is going to have, it is actually intended as a fun, entry level, super realistic looking F1.

PS- Orion/round bottom Li-Po packs will fit

kits should be popping up in hobby shops in august!

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Thanks Madhat

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Originally Posted by collinc View Post
thanks for posting those pics up Vyger...

yes, the kit comes setup to handle a 4-cell configuration. there will be the optional 6-cell setup, that offers wider battery mounting braces/bars, as well as a wider body.

the 4-cell out of the box setup allows for slower speeds, easier to drive, less prone to break something, and the gear diff not only allows for a lower price, it is also a much more newbie welcoming design, and does not require makor maintenance...and with the very aggressive pricing this kit is going to have, it is actually intended as a fun, entry level, super realistic looking F1.

PS- Orion/round bottom Li-Po packs will fit

kits should be popping up in hobby shops in august!
Hey.. is this Collin as in HPI Collin?

it's Jimmy... Scott's friend with the Mini
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I can tell you from the last time Formula 1 came out in the 1996 it was Tamiya/Kyosho vs HPI. No matter what you did to the Tamiya and Kysoho cars they did not handle like the HPI. This was because they both used a oversized 1/12th tire compaired to HPI 1/10th tires. Now if you make adaptors and make them the same it will work. I've got old adpotors for the rear axles to make them a regular american diff and one set for the front axle to make them 1/10th.Oh yes CRC also made a Formula one conversion kit to use Tamiya parts. I hope F1 comes back. I think I would go with the 3.7 lipo packs and whatever brushless motor the local guys want to run.
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I have to say I think thay orange with the black looks better than the purple HPI has used over the years.... 4 cells with the proper brushed motor on either car geared right might make for a fun "club" level racing

6 cells or lipo on either car with a higher end motor setup will probably make these suckers really fly....might even be uncontrolable to a certian point
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They can't release these fast enough for me... the 1/4 scale tri oval needs something a little faster on it...
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Hey.. is this Collin as in HPI Collin?

it's Jimmy... Scott's friend with the Mini
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The body for the F10 is wide enough to fit 6-cell packs under it, or you can cut out a section of the body and use inserts to provide the Coke-bottle shape undercuts look way better; a 4-cell pack will fit under the inserts. If you use a 6-cell pack you don't use the inserts, so you have a flat-sided body which is wider to fit the extra battery length. The kit comes with different battery holders to fit 4-cell and 6-cell packs.

Out of the box, though, the 104 Pro is probably way better equipped than the F10, but there are a lot of options on the list for the F10.
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