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Old 10-05-2009, 10:16 PM
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Thanks! I agree. Ultimate Hobbies is a great shop, but unfortunately no 0.4 pinions to speak of. Lots of other great stuff though. I get most of my RC stuff there actually (like my F103RM and F104 Pro, batteries, ESCs, Receivers), but very few Tamiya parts, especially for F1s. Not unusual. I have run Tamiya cars on and off since the 1980s and it's been hard to find parts the whole time! I am used to it, but still hopeful it will change someday...

Maybe I need to get the HPI spur adapter... That solves that problem at least.
Pinion 64P is working fine with Tamiya spur 0.4
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Old 10-05-2009, 10:28 PM
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Originally Posted by MaxSp97 View Post
Pinion 64P is working fine with Tamiya spur 0.4
Are you sure?... I've never tried it... and I haven't heard of anyone else trying it...

I thought the Tamiya gears were closer to 48p
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Are you sure?... I've never tried it... and I haven't heard of anyone else trying it...

I thought the Tamiya gears were closer to 48p
I used on my F103/F104
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Originally Posted by akura2 View Post
Are you sure?... I've never tried it... and I haven't heard of anyone else trying it...

I thought the Tamiya gears were closer to 48p
There are two commonly used Tamiya pitches. The 04 module parts (as supplied with the F104Pro kit) are very, very close to 64p, but not quite. You might well get away with it, but with increased wear rate. I think the difference is less than 1%, but still there.

The other one they use is nowhere near 48p or 64p and commonly used on the more mainstream kits such as TT-01, TA05 etc.
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Old 10-06-2009, 12:23 AM
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I wonder why Tamiya didn't just go with 64p if they are going to get THAT close....

As a matter of fact... Why did Tamiya go with a diffrent gear pitch than ANYone else to begin with?
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Originally Posted by akura2 View Post
I wonder why Tamiya didn't just go with 64p if they are going to get THAT close....

As a matter of fact... Why did Tamiya go with a diffrent gear pitch than ANYone else to begin with?
Because they can? Don't know the real reason, but I suspect it's got to with it being a pure metric approach: the 04 module stuff is 0.4mm pitch (~63.5p). I think the other ones they use are 0.6mm pitch (42.3p)

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Originally Posted by akura2 View Post
I wonder why Tamiya didn't just go with 64p if they are going to get THAT close....

As a matter of fact... Why did Tamiya go with a diffrent gear pitch than ANYone else to begin with?

They use metric, as do most of the world, apart from the USA who stick to Imperial which is vastly inferior.

It would be madness to mix metric and imperial components in a manufacturing context. Its bad enough in my spare parts box which has accumulated trillions of items from both Japanese and American cars over the last 2 decades.....Even the damn grub screws are different....
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Originally Posted by akura2 View Post
I wonder why Tamiya didn't just go with 64p if they are going to get THAT close....

As a matter of fact... Why did Tamiya go with a diffrent gear pitch than ANYone else to begin with?
Yeh I think Tamiya has been using metric gears for a long time. It just so happens that 0.4 module is very close to 64dp.
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Because if the rest of the world does it oneway...we do it different.
I think it is more about marketing here in the states.
metric IS the world standard.....heck..even star trek uses the metric system
I use what ever is easier for me to find
anyone want to buy a hugh bag of 64p pinions? I will put up some pics later
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@metla...that whole grub screw thing makes me crazy too
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Old 10-06-2009, 08:24 AM
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64 pitch pinions work fine with the 0.4 Tamiya spur. I think the tolerance in manufacturing the pinion will probably account for more variance than the negligible difference in actual pitch. In fact, some of my pinions are 64 and some are 0.4 so depending on my roll-out, I’m going back and forth with the two different types of pitch with no issues. The car always runs silent and my spur lasts a very long time.
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Old 10-06-2009, 08:36 AM
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Here is my 104, just about ready to go to the track, as seen through the awsome lens of John Discher (DISH) there will be more images later, but here is a preview.
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Originally Posted by Metla View Post
They use metric, as do most of the world, apart from the USA who stick to Imperial which is vastly inferior.

It would be madness to mix metric and imperial components in a manufacturing context.
That's what AE did with the 12R5 nonetheless... thats understandable given their 1/12th inheritance but still quite strange IMO
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Originally Posted by Promarkt View Post
64 pitch pinions work fine with the 0.4 Tamiya spur. I think the tolerance in manufacturing the pinion will probably account for more variance than the negligible difference in actual pitch. In fact, some of my pinions are 64 and some are 0.4 so depending on my roll-out, Iím going back and forth with the two different types of pitch with no issues. The car always runs silent and my spur lasts a very long time.
This is good to know. Thank you. Even if there is more wear, it might be worth it for the flexibility you gain. Spur gears are cheap, and I can find those pretty easily in 1 place and order a bunch up front.
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Originally Posted by Promarkt View Post
64 pitch pinions work fine with the 0.4 Tamiya spur. I think the tolerance in manufacturing the pinion will probably account for more variance than the negligible difference in actual pitch. In fact, some of my pinions are 64 and some are 0.4 so depending on my roll-out, Iím going back and forth with the two different types of pitch with no issues. The car always runs silent and my spur lasts a very long time.
a gear's pitch can be calculated or converted like inches and millimeters. to go from Diametral Pitch (DP) to Module, just take 25.4 divided by the DP to get the Module equivalent. to go from Module to DP, take 25.4 divided by the Module to get the DP.

so for example to calculate the module equivalent of a 64DP gear, take 25.4/64 and you get 0.397 module --> close enough to a 0.4 module in my opinion (less than 1% difference). like dave jun mentioned, that falls within manufacturing tolerances. it's not like these gears are going into a fine swiss watch or anything like that.

the other common gears are 0.5 module and 48DP. if you take a 48DP gear and apply the conversion factor you get 0.529. this is a 5.8% difference so i'd say these two are not compatible.
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