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Old 10-13-2011, 02:02 PM
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Originally Posted by rokosam View Post
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Someone knows which brand makes this thing?

TRG?

Seems a good option for foam tires i think.
The TRG 111 upgrade kit. Very nice!
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Old 10-13-2011, 02:53 PM
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Nope! Is not TRG111 (not the complete TRG111 kit, very similar) is a new conversion kit specific for f104X1, and is called "FS104WW"
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Originally Posted by theatriks View Post
So this is for the the guys running rubber a couple of guys from my club just got back from vegas and they want to implement a rubber only rule is the shimitzu the rubber tire thats working well for u guys.
i have done most of my F1 racing on the tamiya rubber tyres, i like the soft rear medium fronts, all i do is use the tyre warmers 50 degrees and they hook up extremly well. i like the fact to they reasonably priced compared to other brands, i am sure that some other tyres may work better but i have just put on a fresh set after 6 months of use they last a real long time unless you have crash and destry a wheel
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ok thanks guys im gonna try both that were suggested
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Originally Posted by eComet View Post
The IIC at Vegas had control tires Ride Medium front and rear. I tried the Ride Super Soft (great if your track temperature is cold because they overheat easily) front and rear and still prefer Shimizu F1-S and R1-H.

Ride feels more like Tamiya tires, and to me, it feels somewhat floaty. But when your car begins to spin or understeer, it is more progressive. Shimizu on the other hand, feels more planted, but the understeer and oversteer-spin is more abrupt.

You need to mount Pit Shimizu tires on Tamiya foam rims and drill at least one 3mm hole for vent. Ride tires you have to buy Ride rims to fit.
The spec pre-mount tires from Vegas are (Ride H1)
honestly not sure where that falls in to the Ride category of tires, but they worked well there, with no wear at all.
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Originally Posted by theatriks View Post
So this is for the the guys running rubber a couple of guys from my club just got back from vegas and they want to implement a rubber only rule is the shimitzu the rubber tire thats working well for u guys.
I've used both Tamiya and Shimizu tires and in my experience;

Tamiya's (Kit front, Option soft rear) require a softer rear end to get working.

For Shimitzu, I've only used the PS-0573 (F1-M) and PS-0575 (R1-S) compounds, haven't tired the PS-0572 (R1-H) yet. With that combination, and a car setup for the Tamiya's, they were around 0.3s/lap slower, and had mega understeer.... Also the rear tyres tend to tear on the sidewall on high speed tracks. Most likely it's due to the thin insert used.
Certainly don't think there would be much in it, either changing the rear tyre to a R1-H, or altering the setup.

At the moment my preference is for the Tam's... but I will do some more work on the setup of the shimitzu's soon.

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Originally Posted by TryHard View Post
I've used both Tamiya and Shimizu tires and in my experience;

Tamiya's (Kit front, Option soft rear) require a softer rear end to get working.

For Shimitzu, I've only used the PS-0573 (F1-M) and PS-0575 (R1-S) compounds, haven't tired the PS-0572 (R1-H) yet. With that combination, and a car setup for the Tamiya's, they were around 0.3s/lap slower, and had mega understeer.... Also the rear tyres tend to tear on the sidewall on high speed tracks. Most likely it's due to the thin insert used.
Certainly don't think there would be much in it, either changing the rear tyre to a R1-H, or altering the setup.

At the moment my preference is for the Tam's... but I will do some more work on the setup of the shimitzu's soon.

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That is exactly what I experienced with F1-M and R1-S. The F1-M gives crazy understeer, I can even use maximum brake without breaking the rear loose, but it did feel like driving a real F1 though. Additionally, the R1-S is too soft and tears easily. It's also not very heat-resistant, the grip is extremely good for the first 2 minutes and then it'll break loose.

Then I got a sample set of R1-H. At first I was skeptical that a Hard would make the car undrivable. But putting it to test I found that the R1-H gives a tad little less grip but a lot more consistent grip overall. It does not fade and it gives the car more steering without breaking the rear end at the same time. In the end, everyone settled on F1-S and R1-H for the best balance. Still lean a bit towards understeer but it's pretty close to neutral. With chassis tuning you can have the right balance you want.

I am not sure why Pit Shimizu calls the new R1 Hard, to me, it is more of a R1 Soft but with thicker material. Just give it a try and you'll be surprised.

I plan to test the F3 R3 series later and update the test results.
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Thanks for the link comet !
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Originally Posted by rokosam View Post
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Someone knows which brand makes this thing?

TRG?

Seems a good option for foam tires i think.
Looks like TRG for sure, TRG damper, and TRG kingpin setup.
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Side damper parts in blue = dialed, not to mention the long top deck...

The 0573 F1-M and 0572 R1-H combo was great on asphalt. I tried it because a ton of the California guys recommended it here and it works. Wear seems pretty good too.

On carpet I tried those tires, but they were not as good as 0574 F3-S and 0575 R1-S. That worked quite a bit better for me.

Some tracks like Tamiya tires i guess, but I have had better luck with Pit so far..
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nice... but I just want the black alloy motor bulkheads to be re-released so I don't have to use blue ones on my X1 now... looks so bad
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Any combo with pit shimizu tire make the car push. Simply no steering at all. We can also that it's SUPER stable.
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I've tried the shimizu's soft rear, but use the tamiya foam insert instead of the thin insert that comes with the tyres.

I find the wear is really good and grip is fantastic for my track.

The cost of the shimizu's is what makes it hard in comparison to the Tamiya's, but the grip they give is a big leap forward for me at my track.

Just a thought
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Old 10-14-2011, 02:00 AM
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More information about the incomming kit:

http://www.sy-brand.com/new1012.html

Sy-brand???
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