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Old 02-05-2011, 05:25 AM
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IMO the wings on an F1 are an authentic decoration!! Unlike off-road wings and Touring Car wings where they are an essential part of the cars handling!
i disagree. there is a difference.
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Old 02-05-2011, 05:25 AM
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Originally Posted by 2-Bad View Post
IMO the wings on an F1 are an authentic decoration!! Unlike off-road wings and Touring Car wings where they are an essential part of the cars handling!
I think you're correct, to a point.

I saw your earlier post about breaking the rear wing and not noticing much a of a difference, but there was till something there. The effects are going to be much smaller because were running much slower motors and their won't be as much... "aerodynamic drag" I think is the term I'm looking for.

I really saw a difference with the wings when running a 17.5 and 21.5 back to back.
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Old 02-05-2011, 07:22 AM
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Originally Posted by abailey21 View Post
I think you're correct, to a point.

I saw your earlier post about breaking the rear wing and not noticing much a of a difference, but there was till something there. The effects are going to be much smaller because were running much slower motors and their won't be as much... "aerodynamic drag" I think is the term I'm looking for.

I really saw a difference with the wings when running a 17.5 and 21.5 back to back.
There is more aero effect on these cars than you think, however i wouldnt use wings to fix a bad chassis setup. I would use wings to find the last 5% either take the edge off of an aggressively steering car or to get a bit more turn in.
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Old 02-05-2011, 07:28 AM
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How do you like the way the F60 front wing points upward after the first few bumps?
I see it on all of the cars, take a look from the side.
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Why do you think that?



If you guys choose to run the F104W don't you have to also run the kit tires on them as well?
i was just asking what rubber tires guys are running, but i got no reply so i assumed everybody is running foams.
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Originally Posted by gsxr0311 View Post
i was just asking what rubber tires guys are running, but i got no reply so i assumed everybody is running foams.
Here's a review from a while ago for rubber on asphalt.

Check out the rest of the site too, really cool.

http://charleslightfoot.com/UF1/Rubber_review.html

http://www.tqrcracing.com/shop/produ...&s_maker_id=49
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Old 02-05-2011, 07:43 AM
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Originally Posted by 2-Bad View Post
IMO the wings on an F1 are an authentic decoration!! Unlike off-road wings and Touring Car wings where they are an essential part of the cars handling!
There was a japaneese magazine that tested different setups in a wind tunnel. I can say they are not for decoration.
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im a big fan of the f60 front wing. u must not be hiting the boards right if ur kicking up a side. lol are the black springs softer than the stock gold?
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Old 02-05-2011, 09:17 AM
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And maybe your cars wings are doing something!
A lot of the time when a driver has a crash the car feelings like its broken something, but after a few laps the car feels normal again. It could be just psychosomatic.

What I mean is, if you bolt on a Big rear wing and because it’s big you thing it’s got to be better then a smaller one, therefore in your mind it is…

Another factor would be is the wings effect is inversely proportional to a cars setup. If you have good rear grip then I'd expect to see little to nil effect from the wing, where as if your running a poor setup with little rear grip then you Need everything you can get!! Therefore you think the wings do something huge but what you really need is a better setup!!!

BTW... I'm still only running kit rubber tires, on asphalt!
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I know that the rear wing has some effect on the car. I used both the 104 and F60 rear wings and I've found the F60 wing had better handling. Car setup was not changed when I swapped the wings.
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Then maybe ur setup needs 2b better and not rely on superficial wings!!
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I can't beleive soooo many racers are concerned about a device that adds so little to the cars perfromance!!!

Where as we all would be better served looking at Tires, diff tension, T-plate, & servo types.
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Old 02-05-2011, 02:10 PM
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Stock F104 / F109 / F10 rear wings are too low.
The narrower but taller 2010 style wing would be better.
We even proved this back in the mid 90's by raising the wings on our F102's (they had wire supports back then).
A max rear wing height had to be brought in to stop some going over the top.
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Originally Posted by 2-Bad View Post
I can't beleive soooo many racers are concerned about a device that adds so little to the cars perfromance!!!

Where as we all would be better served looking at Tires, diff tension, T-plate, & servo types.
+1 on that. i dont even look at the wing as any help. take them both off and run the thing. it wont matter how good u are if u cant setup a car. things like tires,shock,springs,diff and tires wait did i say tires?
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Originally Posted by 2-Bad View Post
I can't beleive soooo many racers are concerned about a device that adds so little to the cars perfromance!!!

Where as we all would be better served looking at Tires, diff tension, T-plate, & servo types.
I never said that the wing makes or breaks the car's performance. And I won't argue that it comes down to car setup. but I have noticed the wing has a small effect on the car. And just so we're clear the key word is "small".
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