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Old 02-01-2012, 03:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Martin Hofer View Post
The only reason why I was using alloy mounts previously was that the rollcenter on the cx with plastic mounts was not where it was meant to be. This has been fixed with CXL so now plastic mounts are geometrically correct.
So if I fit the plastic mounts of cxl it will correct cx rollcenter
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Old 02-01-2012, 03:34 PM
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So if I fit the plastic mounts of cxl it will correct cx rollcenter
Good question!
did schui change the plastic mounts or did they make a small change to the CXL bulkheads?
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Old 02-01-2012, 04:30 PM
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The bulkhead, threads are .5mm lower, plastic mounts are the same

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Originally Posted by olhipster1 View Post
Good question!
did schui change the plastic mounts or did they make a small change to the CXL bulkheads?
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Old 02-01-2012, 07:44 PM
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so on the cxl how are you supsto change arm angels ??? you cant without the blocks correct so i assume they still have their benifits or is running dive or squat not benifical enought to even consider blocks
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Old 02-01-2012, 08:14 PM
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So at some point, someone said the bulkhead threads on the CX are higher than the LP. Now Martin says the CXL threads are lower on the CXL. The question is, did the CXL go back to the LP height, or is it still higher than the LP?

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Originally Posted by mesa80 View Post
so on the cxl how are you supsto change arm angels ??? you cant without the blocks correct so i assume they still have their benifits or is running dive or squat not benifical enought to even consider blocks
I think there will be optional plastic moulds for this reason.
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Old 02-02-2012, 02:36 AM
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Hi Martin

Is it any particular reason wy the swaybars on your car differ from that of the original on Schumacher site, regarding attachment and ballends ?
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Old 02-02-2012, 10:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Drwonder View Post
I think there will be optional plastic moulds for this reason.
Doesn't seem like it. When i asked why the bulkheads were redesigned rather than alternative blocks i was told its expensive to make moulds for blocks rather than just re drilling the bulkheads in a different place. Personally i would have liked to have seen the plastic blocks adjusted. And like most other cars, to have a range so you can play with arm angles for anti dive and other adjustments without the weight disadvantage you get with the alloy blocks or the lack of reliability you get with them.
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Old 02-02-2012, 12:36 PM
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Not sure who posted about differences between LP and CX. LP and CX had the same mounting heights for the pin mounts. CXL bulkheads have had these points lowered by 0.5mm front and rear.

For people that really want to adjust this height, then the alloy blocks remain the option.

As a team in the UK, anti squat / anti dive isn't something that has ever bothered us.
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Old 02-02-2012, 01:32 PM
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I don't know if I am remembering this correctly but I thought you can use the A and B blocks in the C and D spot to get some anti-squat and vice versa for anti-dive. I have never checked it out as I have been using the alloy blocks for some time.
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This is probably a good change lowering the bulkhead .5mm for the hing pin retainers.
they will end up probably selling less alloy mounts but the change is good overall.
the lower pins sat pretty high off the chassis...great for very low traction not so good for high bite.

From the looks of it most purchased the alloy blocks to drop the pins or angle them.
the opposite will happen now...get the alloy blocks to raise up the pins or angle.

my .2 cent ...it's a good change....i believe better traction...less traction rolling.
a little less to purchase to get the car started.
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Originally Posted by Martin Hofer View Post
Hi guys.

I have posted the Setup I have used at ETS Rd. 2 in Italy.
It's my basic setup for the CXL!

I have also made some pictures of my car (as requested :-)

You can find both posts on my blog

Have fun reading and feel free to ask questions anytime.

I'm very sorry when it takes me ages to answer to private messages but I don't check them very regularly to be honest :-)

Martin
Thanks for the pics, car looking very nice as usual. How come you can solder the motor wires like that? Aren't the A and C poles swapped around?
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Well the car is ready for it's first hit out on the weekend.

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Old 02-03-2012, 02:42 AM
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Is the cxl any lighter Gary?
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i would imagine the CXL is lighter
since they reduced the amount of metal in the bulkheads as well as probably needing the optional alloy mounts..
my CX fully stocked came in at 1390
10 grams over...but i have a lot of wire on it. and no TI screws or alum installed yet.

let's cross our fingers and hope it's lighter.
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