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Old 05-06-2010, 09:10 AM   #1066
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Hi Jilles

I noticed in your setups that u use HPI and Tamiya springs. When do you choose which to use? Are they of any difference in terms of setup and performance?
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This might help you
http://www.rctech.net/forum/electric...motors-33.html
Scroll to the bottom and open the shock oil spring tyre.doc, then goto the heading shock. Jilles has already answered something similar

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Old 05-06-2010, 03:54 PM   #1067
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Forget the balancing weights:

Minimum weight at Snowbirds race was 1420 gram.

I used 60gr weight on the centerline of the chassis.
Moved the battery little outside(5mm from bulkhead) , same line as outside chassis.
15gr right front under steering, 10 gr left front under steering.
5 gr right rear behind the Lipo.

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Sorry but now for something completely different.
You advise HB Silver. Is that #HPI-6543 Racing Shock Spring 14x25x1.5 mm 6.5 Coils (Silver)?
In the US they use HB with that number. In the UK they use HPI with that number. Are they the same and is that the spring as you advise?
Is it for sale in Holland? For now I only see it at wheelspinmodels.co.uk

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Hi,

Sorry but now for something completely different.
You advise HB Silver. Is that #HPI-6543 Racing Shock Spring 14x25x1.5 mm 6.5 Coils (Silver)?
In the US they use HB with that number. In the UK they use HPI with that number. Are they the same and is that the spring as you advise?
Is it for sale in Holland? For now I only see it at wheelspinmodels.co.uk

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Hello everyone,

After some positive feedback from the racers on the TRF416/416WE topic I will start my own Thread which all of you can use for questions about the 416(WE) and SpeedPassion motors.

I will do my best to keep up on this thread and try to help out you guys as good as I can.

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Old 05-06-2010, 04:01 PM   #1069
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Hi,

Sorry but now for something completely different.
You advise HB Silver. Is that #HPI-6543 Racing Shock Spring 14x25x1.5 mm 6.5 Coils (Silver)?
In the US they use HB with that number. In the UK they use HPI with that number. Are they the same and is that the spring as you advise?
Is it for sale in Holland? For now I only see it at wheelspinmodels.co.uk

Thanks,

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Hello everyone,

Just came back from the euros. Thank you all for the kind words, this title means so much for me!
5 cars in the top 6 is an awesome results!
Attached you will find my set-up from the Euros.

This week I will leave to Thailand and I will start doing test work for both electric and nitro classes.
In the mean time I will try to keep up with the thread so feel free to drop a message.

Thank you again,

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You advise HB Silver. Is that #HPI-6543 Racing Shock Spring 14x25x1.5 mm 6.5 Coils (Silver)?
That's the one - HPI 6543.

And here is the Spring Chart - the Pro4 springs are what are commonly used.
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Hi Jilles,

I'm running my 416X on a high grip asphalt track which is VHT sprayed. I'm using the base asphalt setup, but with C blocks on the front, and HPI silver front and blue rear springs. On lower grip tracks I find this setup works very well, but on this track I find the rear end is loose and the front bites badly, especially towards the end of the corner. I have tried 0.5mm/1mm under the front blocks which is better, and also running pink springs but they slowed the car down too much. Next I was thinking of going to D blocks on the front, is there anything else I should try

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Hi Jilles,

I'm running my 416X on a high grip asphalt track which is VHT sprayed. I'm using the base asphalt setup, but with C blocks on the front, and HPI silver front and blue rear springs. On lower grip tracks I find this setup works very well, but on this track I find the rear end is loose and the front bites badly, especially towards the end of the corner. I have tried 0.5mm/1mm under the front blocks which is better, and also running pink springs but they slowed the car down too much. Next I was thinking of going to D blocks on the front, is there anything else I should try

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Heavier oil, your car is over gripped.
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Will try that tonight


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Hi Jilles,

I'm running my 416X on a high grip asphalt track which is VHT sprayed. I'm using the base asphalt setup, but with C blocks on the front, and HPI silver front and blue rear springs. On lower grip tracks I find this setup works very well, but on this track I find the rear end is loose and the front bites badly, especially towards the end of the corner. I have tried 0.5mm/1mm under the front blocks which is better, and also running pink springs but they slowed the car down too much. Next I was thinking of going to D blocks on the front, is there anything else I should try

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Heavier oil, your car is over gripped.
Yep tried going to 600 from 450 and that helped too, just wondering if there is something I wouldn't normally think of, like ackerman or camber link spacers

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Old 05-07-2010, 12:50 AM   #1076
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Gilles,
Are these the ones you suggest?
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Hello everyone,

After some positive feedback from the racers on the TRF416/416WE topic I will start my own Thread which all of you can use for questions about the 416(WE) and SpeedPassion motors.

I will do my best to keep up on this thread and try to help out you guys as good as I can.

Best regards,
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That's the one - HPI 6543.

And here is the Spring Chart - the Pro4 springs are what are commonly used.


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Hi Jilles,

I'm running my 416X on a high grip asphalt track which is VHT sprayed. I'm using the base asphalt setup, but with C blocks on the front, and HPI silver front and blue rear springs. On lower grip tracks I find this setup works very well, but on this track I find the rear end is loose and the front bites badly, especially towards the end of the corner. I have tried 0.5mm/1mm under the front blocks which is better, and also running pink springs but they slowed the car down too much. Next I was thinking of going to D blocks on the front, is there anything else I should try

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just outa my experience. your front bites too hard cause of the harder spring and maybe the anti-dive. as a result the rear gets loose. i would suggest a 600 oil, 0,5 rollcenter shimms in front and rear (no anti-dive), silver or blue springs all arround, and rear camber links to 3mm/3mm (fron 5mm).

first i would try silver all arround and see if the tyres together with the harder oil overheat or not. depends on the run time. here we have 7 min runs and have to use handout tyres with 30shore. thus i went for the blue springs all arround.

i also tryed a second topdeck which was cut in the rear and got rid of 2 screws in the back of the top deck to give the car more flex. but since you are running in high grip conditions i would not do that at first.
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Hi Jilles,

I'm running my 416X on a high grip asphalt track which is VHT sprayed. I'm using the base asphalt setup, but with C blocks on the front, and HPI silver front and blue rear springs. On lower grip tracks I find this setup works very well, but on this track I find the rear end is loose and the front bites badly, especially towards the end of the corner. I have tried 0.5mm/1mm under the front blocks which is better, and also running pink springs but they slowed the car down too much. Next I was thinking of going to D blocks on the front, is there anything else I should try

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I've 'generally' found the D blocks on the front take away too much front end - only really got them to feel good on super high grip carpet tracks, but they may work well on big flowing outdoor circuits.

I'd probably try dropping the rear camber link on the bulkhead by 0.5mm or maybe trying different shock positions.

I've also found pink front springs work quite well for me - I certainly found they slowed the front end of the car down but not too much.... what steering curve are you running on your radio??

(I'm certainly no expert here, just trying to go on what we've learnt over the past year with the car!)
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Hey Gilles,

How do you setup your shocks for TITC?? what kind of rebound do you use and you put an o-ring instead of the red foam in??
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