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Old 04-06-2010, 08:30 AM
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Hi jilles

I was woundering if you have heard anything about the
opening event at the new RCA track in Bangkok

I spoke with some of the guys at titc whom told me it should
be in July

Have you heard anything

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Old 04-06-2010, 06:31 PM
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Steve,
I might be at the track this weekend. See you then!

Sean,
This depends on shock and spring length. Normally the rear has little room for the spring but front the spring is pretty tight.

tb214,
It's pretty cool challenge to switch from wheel to stick, but I'm sure within a few month you will be same speed.

Cookie,
Thanks for the info! I missed you at TITC? Everything allright?
As the worlds is already in 3 month I will do some testing here in Bangkok for this month and will also test different chassis, for sure I will test the smokem as well. Let you know later how things are going!

Manu,
Everything fine! Hope you too?!
For wet condition I normally change the ride height of the car to 6 or 7mm, depends on how much water there is. Therefor you need to adjust the droop as well. Droop should be around 3mm. If the car is good balanced in the dry condition it should work fine in the wet.

Wayne,
Do you mean the new RCS? I live very close to that area but till now I not see much going on there. I heard they have had some trouble with getting an approval from the government to start building on the property.

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thanks Jilles

ya thats what i ment,

Ahwell not looking to good for a opening event in july. guess i will be spending two weeks of shopping and temples then

Anyway thanks again for your help at titc hope to see you there again next year
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Hi Jilles,
That will be great to hear how you go with it.
Was in critical project phase at work this year in Feb and saving some mun! so didn't go for titc this time but will plan to make it next year! :-)
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Jilles, can you post a basic set up for 416x for indoor carpet race? I ll be joining next month FEMCA race. The track looks technical and can you also advice what motor turns do you usually use for this type of track size (straights is approximately 60-70ft.... HERE's the pic of the upcoming FEMCA race.
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Jilles,
I'm new to the 416 cars (bought a 416we recently) and all the carpet setups seem very similar. I seem to be experiencing a bit of an on power push. I started with the "Viktor Wilk" setup that everyone recommends. The car pushes mid corner in the sweeper, and does not seem to get through switch backs as fast as other cars.

Things that helped me:
More weight on rear end
Laying front shock down
Standing rear shock up
Raising rear link

Stuff I tried, but I'm not sure if it helped:
Adding toe at the rear hub (1*), but same overall toe (3*)
Shortening rear link
Lengthening wheelbase

Car is on Jacos

Any ideas? Thanks for your time.
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Hi Jilles,

Some question regarding your TITC setup.
I am comparing it to your basic rubber outdoor setup. Hope you can enlighten us on the reason for the change for the following;

Ride height - You ran at 4, 4.5 vs the usual 5, 5.5.

Sus mount spacer - you went up 0.5mm all round

Camber - 0.5deg more than usual

Front sus blocks - 1D and 1B? What is the the advantage running the front front (1D) block wider than the front rear (1B)?

Downstop - the arms were higher by 0.5mm, from the usual 6, 5. Is this due to you running the ride height at 4, 4.5?
If you ran ride height at 4, 4.5 but remain the downstop at 6, 5. What will be the disadvantage?

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Wayne,
I think they can't finish the track that fast, but sure the TITC will be at another venue then RCAddict next year, hopefully back to RCS!

Cookie,
Hope to see you next year then!

Dameetz,
Attached my set-up of the LRP Masters two weeks ago. This set-up should work pretty good at the FEMCA race. I really hoped the race was in April as then I might should have come, but since it is in may i'm heading home for a couple of month to do the big races in Europe.

Robk,
Check my set-up from LRP masters. I don't know what thinks are different on Viktor's set-up as normally we all run pretty much same. To get rid of on power push I suggest not to use anti-dive, or lay in the rear shock one step.

CLK,
RCAddict track was pretty flat, so you could run lower ride height, this helps against traction roll, especially in the evening. As the grip was really high I went to 1mm rollcenter shim. This maked the car a lot smoother to drive and took out little traction so it had better cornerspeed.
Due the highspeed section and the MuchMore tyres I felt more traction in the corner with little more camber.
Front susp blocks 1D/1B you create little armsweep, this basicly gives more steering in the big sweeper and is less aggressive going in the corner.
If you keep the downstop at 6/5mm with the lower ride height, you will have more uptravel. This makes the car roll more as it can transfer more weight.
Therfore I added little more droop to have the same uptravel when I use 5/5.5mm ride height.

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Thanks for the set up Jilles. Those springs are Tamiya's right?
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jilles, what is the different using 2 oring and 1 oring in the shock ??

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Dameetz,
Yes, Tamiya blue and white. These springs are always best springs for carpet.

Kschu,
I like the two o-rings as it feels little more like a damper. One o-ring feels too soft and leak little bit. 2 o-ring feels like 5W harder shockoil. But it's little more solid feeling. I actually think it has more traction.

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Hi Jilles, i saw your youtube video online on the ball diff build. You did some paper standing on the diff plate. May i know the "standed" face the ball or the alu diff cup? Thank you if you could enlighten me on this!
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Originally Posted by JGH View Post

CLK,
RCAddict track was pretty flat, so you could run lower ride height, this helps against traction roll, especially in the evening. As the grip was really high I went to 1mm rollcenter shim. This maked the car a lot smoother to drive and took out little traction so it had better cornerspeed.
Due the highspeed section and the MuchMore tyres I felt more traction in the corner with little more camber.
Front susp blocks 1D/1B you create little armsweep, this basicly gives more steering in the big sweeper and is less aggressive going in the corner.
If you keep the downstop at 6/5mm with the lower ride height, you will have more uptravel. This makes the car roll more as it can transfer more weight.
Therfore I added little more droop to have the same uptravel when I use 5/5.5mm ride height.

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Hi Jilles,

Quick question, would it not give the same results if you run a little toe out instead of using front susp blocks 1D/1B?

If not what would be the difference?

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I'm sure it's been mentioned elsewhere but where does the 2nd o-ring go? Do you use it instead of the plastic spacer?

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Hi Jilles,

Quick question, would it not give the same results if you run a little toe out instead of using front susp blocks 1D/1B?

If not what would be the difference?

Thanks
Sweep changes castor and wheelbase so only affects the car in the corner, more toe changes the car everywhere
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