"Ask" Jilles Groskamp Tamiya 416 & 417, Team Orion Motors

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  • Hi Jilles,

    Quick question for you on the split suspension blocks avaliable for the 416. Have you tried these, and if so, what were your thoughts?
    I've been running them for a while on the front to avoid bending the C blocks in a hard hit, and everytime I've backed to backed them with the standard block I haven't noticed a difference in the cars handling. Am I missing something here, or is it just a case that they are more fiddly to put shims under?

    Cheers
    Ed
  • Quote: Hi Jilles,

    Quick question for you on the split suspension blocks avaliable for the 416. Have you tried these, and if so, what were your thoughts?
    I've been running them for a while on the front to avoid bending the C blocks in a hard hit, and everytime I've backed to backed them with the standard block I haven't noticed a difference in the cars handling. Am I missing something here, or is it just a case that they are more fiddly to put shims under?

    Cheers
    Ed
    Hey Ed,

    Just a thought but I remember Vinny posting in the 416 thread there was a slight difference between the old blocks and the 416 blocks, maybe the split blocks are a slightly different width to the 1pc blocks you are testing them with?
  • Quote: I meant the height. If they measure the height by using the MuchMore TC gauge means less than 115mm.
    Btw jonest where can i get this tool? To what I know I just cut according to the lines on the bodyshell.
  • Quote: Hi Jilles,

    Quick question for you on the split suspension blocks avaliable for the 416. Have you tried these, and if so, what were your thoughts?
    I've been running them for a while on the front to avoid bending the C blocks in a hard hit, and everytime I've backed to backed them with the standard block I haven't noticed a difference in the cars handling. Am I missing something here, or is it just a case that they are more fiddly to put shims under?

    Cheers
    Ed
    Other than reduce the chances of a bent toe block, it should not affect the handling much but in theory, chassis should have slightly more flex. Just my tots.

    Quote: Btw jonest where can i get this tool? To what I know I just cut according to the lines on the bodyshell.
    Stargek used to bring these and it's hard to find it nowadays. Bought mine in HK.
  • I am running split blocks in the front to reduce the chance of bending a block, plus you don't have to remove the block to change the front belt which is always nice.
  • Quote: Quick question for you on the split suspension blocks avaliable for the 416. Have you tried these, and if so, what were your thoughts?
    I've been running them for a while on the front to avoid bending the C blocks in a hard hit, and everytime I've backed to backed them with the standard block I haven't noticed a difference in the cars handling. Am I missing something here, or is it just a case that they are more fiddly to put shims under?
    Hi Ed

    Right about now I expected to be trying the two options out back-to-back now I have finally got my split blocks through! Nevermind, its still snowing here (I'm 10 miles straight line to Chatham)! I did try it at Rug Racers last week and couldn't feel any difference at all.

    Hoping to make it to my local club this week and don't have anything else in particular to try so will do a back-to-back with the two and let you know what I find. I know Andy & Graham Robson said they didn't feel any difference at all, just stopped them bending the bar.
    Oli
  • jilles : can you share the mini setup you used last Tamiya Cup?

    Thanks.
  • Quote: Wayne,
    No need to change setting for your new ride. You might need to play little with your balance weight if more weight is reguired.
    Hi Jilles,

    When you say you may need to play with the balance weight when moving from the WE to the X, do you mean the front to rear balance? Could you explain how you measure it, and what weight distribution you aim for?

    Thanks
    Craig
  • Quote: Other than reduce the chances of a bent toe block, it should not affect the handling much but in theory, chassis should have slightly more flex. Just my tots.



    Stargek used to bring these and it's hard to find it nowadays. Bought mine in HK.
    Oh really, I dunno why they not shipping in. Can't be costly right?
  • i think jilles busy practising...
  • Jilles I sure you might have alredy had a chace
    to practice with the new muchmore tyre compound

    but I thought I would share our findings from from our
    recent summer nats. Down here in oz

    I was only running 17.5 but the tyre ware was next to none
    and a friend of mine ran the same set for both his 3 heats and 3
    finals

    Our local importer was running mod and only changed for
    the last amain run cause he lost a coin test

    needless to say I have bought a few extra sets

    But them seem to ware alot less the there older compound
    and don't grain either

    Any way hope to get a chance to meet you at titc a I will
    be using your worlds as my base setup
  • Quote: Jilles I sure you might have alredy had a chace
    to practice with the new muchmore tyre compound

    but I thought I would share our findings from from our
    recent summer nats. Down here in oz

    I was only running 17.5 but the tyre ware was next to none
    and a friend of mine ran the same set for both his 3 heats and 3
    finals

    Our local importer was running mod and only changed for
    the last amain run cause he lost a coin test

    needless to say I have bought a few extra sets

    But them seem to ware alot less the there older compound
    and don't grain either

    Any way hope to get a chance to meet you at titc a I will
    be using your worlds as my base setup
    Which tyre are you referring to as they have 2 different tires at TITC, Stock class & Mod class each has it's own type.
  • Quote: Jilles I sure you might have alredy had a chace
    to practice with the new muchmore tyre compound

    but I thought I would share our findings from from our
    recent summer nats. Down here in oz

    I was only running 17.5 but the tyre ware was next to none
    and a friend of mine ran the same set for both his 3 heats and 3
    finals

    Our local importer was running mod and only changed for
    the last amain run cause he lost a coin test

    needless to say I have bought a few extra sets

    But them seem to ware alot less the there older compound
    and don't grain either

    Any way hope to get a chance to meet you at titc a I will
    be using your worlds as my base setup
    how do they compare to sorex? looking for a new tire for a possible replacement. Thanks
  • Quote: Which tyre are you referring to as they have 2 different tires at TITC, Stock class & Mod class each has it's own type.
    I was referring to mod as they will be using
    muchmore's new compound

    Redbones

    I have also been running sorex 36 but may
    switch to the new muchmore 32 with
    muchmore rims as they seem to wear
    less and get quicker and quicker
    the more they are run

    but I have only run one event with them
    but have purchased 2 more sets

    they seem to be as good if not better
  • Quote: how do they compare to sorex? looking for a new tire for a possible replacement. Thanks
    Ive been using the muchmore tires for around 6 months now. They are similar to sorex. This is what i have found. They have slightly more overall grip, but wear slightly quicker. They still have great wear though. Sorex seem to keep working when they are older. I think the Muchmore is the faster tire (Only just), but it definatly overheats quicker. If thats a concern for you. I have tested the MM36.

    Hope that helps,

    Antoni