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Old 12-01-2003, 12:35 PM   #31
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Default Kisbey or Putnam

I didn't want to start a new thread so figured I'd try my luck getting a reply on this thread.

looking for some feedback as to which motor builder is the prefered for stock motors..Kisbey or Putnam?

I run stock and Mod sedan with a TC3.

The track is medium to large with a tight infield 70 ft. x110 ft.

I've ran Big Jim motors with great sucess but the last motor i orderd from him took three months to arrive at my house.
don't get me wrong it was worth the wait but i need a motor builder with a quicker TA time.
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I wasnt impressed with the motors at clevelend. nothing I tried produced enough and trinity didnt deliver with the balancing with epoxy.
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I dont know what most of you guys were doing to the motors, but the ones I had were fast. I was in the B-qual for sedan stock and I never really got pulled more than one or two feet on the straight (and I wasnt running amazing packs).

You really had to gear down and run heavy brushes. I am sure if anyone talked to Dieter or even Philips who was right there at the Trinity booth all weekend they would have found that out. In 12th i ran a 26/100 with red and green springs and 99 cross cuts. In sedan w/ a tc3 I ran 33/100 with purple springs and both cars were fast, slightly slower than a 19t, but much faster than a stock motor.

Also I am a big fan of the epoxy balancing. No more 1/4" drill holes on all three sides of the arm, lol.
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I agree with the concept of epoxy balancing...

like they said..if there's a hole in the arm..you're out...

keeps it nice and easy to tech...
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Has anyone tried a Race Prep outlaw motor:

OUTLAW 27. Based on the Powerzone Stock Motor, the Outlaw 27 Stock Racing Motor is Handwound with 27 turns of larger wire. 36 degrees advanced timing. Short R-40 Armature with Cooling Channels and Weighted Balance Method, Diamond Trued Commutator, 5.4v Wet Magnets, "H" Cut "R" Compound Brushes
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Has anyone tried a Race Prep outlaw motor:

OUTLAW 27. Based on the Powerzone Stock Motor, the Outlaw 27 Stock Racing Motor is Handwound with 27 turns of larger wire. 36 degrees advanced timing. Short R-40 Armature with Cooling Channels and Weighted Balance Method, Diamond Trued Commutator, 5.4v Wet Magnets, "H" Cut "R" Compound Brushes
Whats this really have to do with the "Binary"? Well I suppose they are both illegal at most tracks... if you just want to go faster buy a 19 turn or a mod
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Like I said...the guys I was talking to in Cleveland didn't seem to be blown away...not by a long shot...


I guess it depends on who you talked to
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Old 12-03-2003, 01:54 PM   #38
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Originally posted by Never Enough
I didn't want to start a new thread so figured I'd try my luck getting a reply on this thread.

looking for some feedback as to which motor builder is the prefered for stock motors..Kisbey or Putnam?

I run stock and Mod sedan with a TC3.

The track is medium to large with a tight infield 70 ft. x110 ft.

I've ran Big Jim motors with great sucess but the last motor i orderd from him took three months to arrive at my house.
don't get me wrong it was worth the wait but i need a motor builder with a quicker TA time.

Just buy a normal balanced monster stock and build it your way!
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Old 12-03-2003, 02:22 PM   #39
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fyi, CE unit 7.0 volts

Binary b Trinity cross serrations 2 purple springs
31867 2.4 58 55 15.0
29331 3.7 81 64 18.0
27742 4.6 94 66 20.1
26604 5.3 104 67 22.1
24840 6.4 117 66 25.1
23266 7.3 126 64 28.0

Pull 2
32000 2.4 58 55 15.0
29340 3.8 83 65 18.0
27617 4.7 96 68 20.1
26300 5.3 104 67 22.1
24549 6.3 116 65 25.1
22919 7.3 124 63 28.0

Binary a Brush unknow Red + Grn -
32611 1.9 47 44 15.0
30126 3.4 76 60 18.0
28488 4.4 92 65 20.2
27050 5.2 104 67 22.1
25193 6.4 119 67 25.1
23594 7.4 129 65 28.0

Pull 2
32507 2.1 52 50 14.9
29453 3.7 80 63 17.9
27842 4.7 96 68 20.1
26428 5.5 108 69 22.1
24654 6.5 119 67 25.1
23005 7.6 129 65 28.1

Monster with 767's and pos 7.0, neg 7.0
29528 2.7 60 57 15.0
27428 4.1 84 66 18.0
26300 4.9 96 68 20.1
25036 5.8 107 69 22.1
23056 7.1 121 68 25.1
21735 8.1 131 66 28.0

The two Binary motors are Futureal's from Cleveland. I only had time to throw them on the dyno last night to see what is up. The monster listed is a sheet that I had on my bench. It is for reference purposes only.
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The "unknown" brushes on that second motor are Reedy 767s.
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Old 12-03-2003, 02:36 PM   #41
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If any of you guys have Mike Golden's DynoViewer, I took all Kraig's data and made
files that you can load directly into the DynoViewer and ziped up the 5 .txt files into one zip file...

http://www.wiltse.net/zips/bs_mots.zip
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Old 12-03-2003, 02:39 PM   #42
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Oh, and if you don't have Golden's DynoViewer... why not? it's free...

http://www.wiltse.net/zips/DynoViewer.zip

it runs on most Windows systems... I've used it on both Windows 2000 and XP.

If you use it for no other purpose... it's got a pretty nice rollout calculator built in it...
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Well I finally got a few of the binary pros and I must say that I am pretty impressed with them out of the box. The purple springs obviously have to go for 1/12th scale but for touring car the motor seems pretty set up out of the box. It's drawing higher than average amps with real good RPMS on my indi dyno. Should be fun for the weekend.
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Howard,
Why do you think that a motor that is not approved by ROAR is legal in the Stock class at a club race? That is the most important rule to be followed. They usually rely on the racer's honor not to use an illegal motor, but that is the one rule that should be enforced at a club race. That's what creates the level playing field in the stock class.
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Isn't the only reason this motor is not ROAR-legal due to the epoxy balancing?

Were I a ROAR official, I would much rather be looking for epoxy balancing versus drill balancing. I suspect these will be approved and become the new standard for motor handouts (epoxy balanced, no drill marks). And it has nothing to do with Trinity's "hold" over the industry.
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