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Old 07-28-2010, 08:38 AM
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Ive been between this and xray but i think im going to have to bite the t3. This thing is no where to be found. Anyone know where to get one in the states??
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Originally Posted by mist467
Ive been between this and xray but i think im going to have to bite the t3. This thing is no where to be found. Anyone know where to get one in the states??
Check with TOP usa:
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Originally Posted by MikeXray
What are the differences in the available shock orings? Both my cars have v1 shocks, they are holding up well though.


They 40 oring is a harder o-ring. I would suggest this
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Originally Posted by mist467
Ive been between this and xray but i think im going to have to bite the t3. This thing is no where to be found. Anyone know where to get one in the states??
The kits are expected in the states by the end of the month. They will be coming in several shipments. If you really want one, call Michael at TOP USA and reserve one. I believe that the first batch is already spoken for, but it shouldn't be too long. You gotta do what you gotta do, but I would save yourself the money and wait for the Photon kits to arrive.
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I've been getting several PMs about what to buy with the kit, so I figured I'd post it up on the thread. None of these are required, but some are very good things to pick up with your original purchase.

1. Kimbrough servo saver (definite must)
2. Aluminum bell crank (King Headz). I've only broken 1 but many people do have issues with them. I just recently installed one for security.
3. Axle pin covers. Not required, but they do free up the axles because they remove the set screw from the assembly. They also make maintenance alot easier.
4. Shims for wheelbase and camber adjustments. The kit comes with enough to build the car, but it doesn't include a variety for making adjustments.
5. Springs. Kit comes with 344/306. For rubber tire on carpet, you will want the 393, 367, and 289 springs. For asphalt, you will want the 324 and 289. I would also recommend an extra set of the 306. I don't run foam anymore, so I won't comment on spring suggestions.

Any other questions, please feel free to PM me or post it up. If anyone has any other recommendations, LMK and I can add them to my post.
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Originally Posted by Official
Don't think the Kyosho oils are light. I've change the oil and Kyosho oils have a heavier feel. I find the best feel for the diff are the 2000wt oil of kyosho. Tried the 10000wt and find that the viscosity is too heavy good for putting in the front diff.
tested #500000cst kyosho for front no good !
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Originally Posted by darrenoakley
Am I right in thinking the m pro gear diff comes with 20k oil all ready in?
Yes Xceed 20K !
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Well got my secong gear diff today and its going in the front . I will be testing it this weekend
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Originally Posted by Marcos.J
Well got my secong gear diff today and its going in the front . I will be testing it this weekend
what surface tyre are you using? What oil are you going to use?

Should have mine by start of next week so would be good to share set-ups- will be starting with standard in back ( 20K) and 100k in front.

cheers and good luck
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Originally Posted by stiltskin
I've been getting several PMs about what to buy with the kit, so I figured I'd post it up on the thread. None of these are required, but some are very good things to pick up with your original purchase.

1. Kimbrough servo saver (definite must)
2. Aluminum bell crank (King Headz). I've only broken 1 but many people do have issues with them. I just recently installed one for security.
3. Axle pin covers. Not required, but they do free up the axles because they remove the set screw from the assembly. They also make maintenance alot easier.
4. Shims for wheelbase and camber adjustments. The kit comes with enough to build the car, but it doesn't include a variety for making adjustments.
5. Springs. Kit comes with 344/306. For rubber tire on carpet, you will want the 393, 367, and 289 springs. For asphalt, you will want the 324 and 289. I would also recommend an extra set of the 306. I don't run foam anymore, so I won't comment on spring suggestions.

Any other questions, please feel free to PM me or post it up. If anyone has any other recommendations, LMK and I can add them to my post.
Thanks for the info Tony and everyone else!

I got a use kit with a lot of spares recently but there are a few things extra I’m wondering if I need for spares:

1. 3 x 23 and 3 x 51 hinge pins?
2. 1.25 mm Camber links plates? (rubber on carpet) Do I need them?
3. 30 or 40 damper 0-rings for the shocks
4. Universals, which version, alum or steel. 43 or 44.5mm? Bone or axle shaft is more durable?
5. Alum steering blocks…are they pretty strong?
6. alum lipo battery mount x 2….better than the plastic one?
7. which foam bumper (foam or rubber one) part number is the hard one?
8. Is there much difference between the regular or the low friction belts?
9. Anything else I need?

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1. I only have for springs gamma 289, 306 x 2, 324, 334, and 344. I’m running rubber tires on medium grip carpet, which shock piston should I use (size of hole and how many) and what oil would I use If I only got the springs?
2. What’s the hype with the gear diff? What’s it suppose to do theoretically?
3. What is your setup sheet please?

Thank you for your time,

Ivan
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Originally Posted by michael.branth
what surface tyre are you using? What oil are you going to use?

Should have mine by start of next week so would be good to share set-ups- will be starting with standard in back ( 20K) and 100k in front.

cheers and good luck
Im running Solaris (hard compound)

I will be using 100,000 in the front to start.
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Just installed the gear diff in my Photon (Front and rear)

They feel pretty smooth in the car, but before installation i was worried about the notching.

Nice unit! Cant wait to try them out.

What sort of life span should i expect with a 10.5 and Dynamic timing?
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Originally Posted by danjoy25
Had ago today with the gear diffs fitted in the front and rear in 17.5t and is is really not working. Don't buy any of it. Don't believe the hype. Its a waste of money. Specially the guys in Sydney that will be running the 3rd round club challenge next month. Please don't bother Just wait after the event. LOL!!!!
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I will have my stock with me if anyone needs to get one at the event who has not ordered one already
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Originally Posted by BoneCrusher
Thanks for the info Tony and everyone else!

I got a use kit with a lot of spares recently but there are a few things extra I’m wondering if I need for spares:

1. 3 x 23 and 3 x 51 hinge pins? Nice to have the 3x51 pins. They are very hard, but I did snap one in the arm. Didn't know it was broken until a rebuild.
2. 1.25 mm Camber links plates? (rubber on carpet) Do I need them? Not needed. Just an extra tuning aid.
3. 30 or 40 damper 0-rings for the shocks 40
4. Universals, which version, alum or steel. 43 or 44.5mm? Bone or axle shaft is more durable? The bones wear out before the axles. I like to run the steel in the front and the 44.5 aluminum in the rear.
5. Alum steering blocks…are they pretty strong? The aluminum blocks are very nice. Not a bad upgrade.
6. alum lipo battery mount x 2….better than the plastic one? The alum lipo mount holds better. Once again, not required, but nice to have.
7. which foam bumper (foam or rubber one) part number is the hard one? Not sure here. I've never owned the foam bumper. I believe they are the same density but different shape. I could be wrong.
8. Is there much difference between the regular or the low friction belts? The color is very different. Stock are black, LF are white. I just replaced mine and the stock black belts (worn in) are more flexible than a new set of white belts. Time will tell which is more flexible.
9. Anything else I need? 367 and 393 springs for carpet

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1. I only have for springs gamma 289, 306 x 2, 324, 334, and 344. I’m running rubber tires on medium grip carpet, which shock piston should I use (size of hole and how many) and what oil would I use If I only got the springs? I ran 1.2mm 3 hole pistons with 45f / 40r shock oil.
2. What’s the hype with the gear diff? What’s it suppose to do theoretically? The gear diffs are very consistent and allow you to tune the feel of the diff with oil. They launch very hard because of the lack of slip that you get from a ball diff. Still testing the gear diff in front instead of a spool in order to get back some corner entry steering without losing the pull out of the corner.
3. What is your setup sheet please? For carpet, I would start with Larry Fairtrace's setup. I'll see if I can find it in the forum. I only made a few changes to his baseline and my car was awesome on the rug. Page 164. Post 2448. Give it a shot.

Thank you for your time,

Ivan

Hope this helps, Ivan.
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The problem I have with the Aluminum steering blocks is the rear hole in them for the steering link is in a different spot than the stock ones and Schreff and I always use the rear hole in the plastic blocks on rubber tires. So you have to watch out for that. Every setup I have ever posted uses this rear hole on the stock blocks, the aluminum one changes the ackerman a lot.
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