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Old 02-03-2009, 04:53 PM   #46
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Touring cars cost wayyyyyyy too much! The price of tires is totally out of control $44.00 for a set of tires is ridiculous!! It costs $28.00 Front and Rear! for 20" BMX tires and the rear only needs replaced once every 4 months and the front can last 8 months. The RC manufactures are more greedy then George Bush and Corporate America and now it's biting them in the a$$ RC Tires should cost around $16.00 TOPS front and rear! They are just a little bit of plastic and foam.
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On that note, anyone else notice when we all stopped running foam they went from $20 a pair to $6 a pair??

I'm all for a company making money and I know they all have a limited audience to sell to. But if they price new people out of the hobby that limited audience will dwindle to nobody and they will have no customers.
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Old 02-04-2009, 08:50 AM   #48
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Touring cars cost wayyyyyyy too much! The price of tires is totally out of control $44.00 for a set of tires is ridiculous!! It costs $28.00 Front and Rear! for 20" BMX tires and the rear only needs replaced once every 4 months and the front can last 8 months. The RC manufactures are more greedy then George Bush and Corporate America and now it's biting them in the a$$ RC Tires should cost around $16.00 TOPS front and rear! They are just a little bit of plastic and foam.
Quality race level products is the concern for most, Actually I can go get BMX front and rears for as little as $17 ft/rr combined but if you look at quality and high PSI rated you'll easily run $30 for a rear alone. That would be $60 for a set of RC rears and at that price the Caps Oval tires last quite a while.

I agree the $500 T/c kits and $300 1/12 and pan car are a little rediculous but the average parts price has remained pretty steady over the last 15-20 years. I still have TRC rear tires in the package priced at $17, thats pretty close considering inflation.

The real issue is RC is Cheap.....Going fast is expensive. So you got to ask yourself why do you do it, to have a hobby and have fun, or to do you define fun as being highly competitive. I happen to enjoy both the Hobby/tinkering aspect and the competitive nature, so yeah it cost me more than I like, but it's my fault for pushing the envelope that far.
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Old 02-04-2009, 10:13 AM   #49
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I think cost has almost everything to do with TC popularity. It cost 2-5 times more to stay competitive in TC depending on your budget. That is why many racers are opting for slash, RCGT, gearbox, and mini coopers. They are spec classes where money doesn't nessessarily buy you the fastest/handling car. Costs have driven TC away from racers. With the economy as bad as it is right now racers are cutting back on their budgets even more than before. Oddly as it may seem, TC seems to be picking up again here in So Cal area.
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Quality race level products is the concern for most, Actually I can go get BMX front and rears for as little as $17 ft/rr combined but if you look at quality and high PSI rated you'll easily run $30 for a rear alone. That would be $60 for a set of RC rears and at that price the Caps Oval tires last quite a while.

I agree the $500 T/c kits and $300 1/12 and pan car are a little rediculous but the average parts price has remained pretty steady over the last 15-20 years. I still have TRC rear tires in the package priced at $17, thats pretty close considering inflation.

The real issue is RC is Cheap.....Going fast is expensive. So you got to ask yourself why do you do it, to have a hobby and have fun, or to do you define fun as being highly competitive. I happen to enjoy both the Hobby/tinkering aspect and the competitive nature, so yeah it cost me more than I like, but it's my fault for pushing the envelope that far.

Maxxis "Holy Rollers" are the best tire in BMX and Cost $14.00 front or rear. There is more rubber, labor, tooling and technology in them tires then a 100 sets of RC tires. There are some Kenda tires in the $17.00 to $20.00 range but, most people run Holy Rollers. I have never seen a $30.00 rear tire at the BMX track. BMXers would tell the Manufacture to get lost
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Well, if everyone keeps buying these cars at these prices and going gaga over factory team drivers (I still don't understand why people go crazy over factory team drivers and treat them as stars), nothing will change. Why should Xray cost hundreds more than any other brand? Because they won a toy race? Because it gives more fun than any other car, despite the fact that all these cars all perform the same after they are dialed in? I really do not understand this one bit. In real road racing, I can understand 100%. All cars in the real world are built a certain way that perform with little to no modification. Not to mention you can drive and be part of the car and get your money's worth. This hobby is trying too much to be like real road racing. I can understand simulating the fun, but trying to be the real thing is getting out of hand.

Like Chris Kee mentioned about foam tires going from $20 to $6. Sounds like these companies are price-gouging the customer. I think I will stick with a Team Associated or Robitronic AVID car since they are moderately priced and perform just as well as an Xray or some other overpriced brand, once they get dialed-in.

There could be more to this than I understand, but at this point and the condition of the tough times ahead, I think companies should be just as loyal to their fans and treat them right with some sort of sympathy. If this hobby is to be more successful and more mainstream, prices need to come down. Brand names influencing costs is just plain rediculous. Porsche, I can understand. They have a LONG history of producing quality cars and are reasonably affordable! Ferrari, I can understand. They also have a LONG history of quality cars, though not reasonably priced. Same with Lamborghini, Mercedes, Aston Martin, Rolls Royce, etc. Those cars have a long and rich history to warrant why they should cost the amount they cost. Plus they even treat their customers properly with long term customer incentives such as price reduction, higher trade-in value, etc. The only other hobby car producer that I can think of that gives incentives to keep buying their cars is Motonica. They have trade-ins for old parts and help keep costs down on newer parts. I hope Motonica does extremely well for thinking about their customers like this.

As far as the nitro cars and engines costing an arm and a leg because of exchange rates, I can't say much about that. However, old technology is old technology. Nitro engines as a whole have barely changed in terms of innovation. They still function exactly the same way as they always have. With electric cars, look how far they have come. From 5 years ago till now, I see a MASSIVE evolution with the electric scene. From the nitro scene, nada. Maybe some extra fins on the engine, bigger holes here and there, but other than that, nothing. Plus the 1/10 nitro scene is just hilarious. I love the swiss-cheese bodies. They really kill the look and appeal of the car. They should use RCGT bodies on nitro 10th scale as well as nitro 8th scale. They would make more sense for the engine sticking out as well as the gas tank for faster pit stops.

This is all just my own opinion. I do not want to say anyone is wrong or even enforce my views on anyone else. My main goal is to provide another avenue of thought about the hobby and its costs which for the most part, detract newcomers to the hobby.
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I think what happened and is still happening is that the cars got/are way too fast for people and tracks to handle. Then about the same time reliability in NiCad cells, motors and ESC were starting to take a dive with the increased speed. Now add in the super high end touring car cost and up keep when you pile your 50mph X-ray or what ever car into the wall. Now you need to spend some $$$ to fix the car you just piled up and people just got mad and in turn walked away or went on to other classes. So yeah we have seen a big drop off in the number of people racing 10th touring car. Then add in the down turn the economy took that really didn’t help anything. On the flip side of all of this I'm noticing more and more people racing the slower classes like anything with a 17.5 and VTA more people are doing it because its fun. Now you add in the lipo and the brushless factor and the majority of the maintenance is gone and the fun just increased. I think you will see more people racing again but it will more then likely be in the slower classes as these classes are easier for about 90% of the racers out there can handle. As a result the actual racing in these slower classes is getting much better then it is in the faster classes. If you look at the results from most of the bigger races the 17.5 classes and slower like classes are the biggest classes….I personally think that the quality of the racing in these slower classes is part of the reason they are growing….the cars are slower and more enjoyable drive and easier to actually race with someone with out super human abilities to handle a 50mph rocket car on a 90ft track.
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Simple supply and demand. As long as racers will pay the $$, the manufacturers will keep charging what they charge. So overall, it's OUR fault As for the tires going from $20 to $6, demand went down, so the store had to get rid of them any way they could, perhaps even taking a loss. Stagnant inventory is death to a shop.
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Old 02-04-2009, 12:18 PM   #54
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The question should be, when will the Touring Class die? I see RCGT and VTA taking over eventually. I say give it 3 years and the Touring Class will be dead. The economy hasn't even hit it's lowest point. Once budgets really start to tighten up and more job are lost we'll see spec racing start to really pick up.
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Once budgets really start to tighten up and more job are lost we'll see spec racing start to really pick up.
In one way, this will be good to the hobby consumers. In a major way, this will be bad for the people that lose their jobs.

As far as VTA, yeah it is fun, but I get bored on the driver's stand watching my car take forever to go around the track. However, with RCGT, I may look into entering that class as well. What I am afraid of is the cost of pan cars skyrocketing with still the same number of parts and less moving parts.
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The major expense in sedan that cannot be avoided if you want to be pretty competitive is Tires...... Everything else lasts and is not a must like having a new set of tires.....

IMO $34-38 is too much for a set of premounted rubbers....
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Harry I dont think the prices will go up with pan cars. They'll stay at $225 to $300 mark. The great thing about them is that replacement parts are much cheaper than touring car parts. Plus less moving parts means less wear and tear which means lower maintenance costs. The one real expense will be tires, but at least there's no question as to what tires to run since it's already spec'd.
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How about 'cause they just aren't cool anymore.

I'm looking to get into carpet rc now that I've moved to the great white north. What hapened to all the realistic tc bodies. I allways wanted to run a tc with that HPI mustang superstallion body. All the tuner cars were neat. Some people would run a tc version of their own real car.

Now it's the TC blob class or 1/12 wedge and 1/10 wedge. How about some rc MODEL CARS for petes sake!

I can see the point of having a hardcore racing class where the cars look like blobs or shovels but not every class should be that way. I'll probally get a 1/12th scale if I can find a decent Nissan GTP body or Worlds GT with a Vette body.

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Harry I dont think the prices will go up with pan cars. They'll stay at $225 to $300 mark. The great thing about them is that replacement parts are much cheaper than touring car parts. Plus less moving parts means less wear and tear which means lower maintenance costs. The one real expense will be tires, but at least there's no question as to what tires to run since it's already spec'd.
I hope you're right. But somehow, that Xray 10th scale pan car is going to say otherwise. Then when people start buying (then complain about the price) the car in droves, other companies will follow suite with their pricing.

But good points made!
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from my humble perspective, the people ARE the hobby.

If you trying to go faster, it's trying to go faster than 'him' (or her).



For a couple years I dumped huge amounts of $ on sedan. For a couple years before some great friends at my home track surgically removed my head from my ass, I watched better drivers with worse gear school me.

Now, they still school me but I don't spend near as much.........
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