R/C Tech Forums

Go Back   R/C Tech Forums > General Forums > Electric On-Road

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 01-29-2009, 06:43 AM   #16
Tech Champion
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Long Island, NY
Posts: 7,211
Trader Rating: 2 (100%+)
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by ApexSpeed View Post
That's crap, quite honestly.

Look at the popularity of World GT and Vintage Trans Am and tell me that people don't want realistic racing bodies.

People want realistic bodies, just not in 12th scale.

Well, some people want realistic bodies but molded after current LeMans Prototype bodies. The problem there is it's impossible to model a modern car from a single sheet of lexan, and still have it handle.

Vintage Trans Am combined with Touring Cars is fine, but not in 12th scale. And the question I have to ask when you want 2 forms of VTA is Why?
jiml is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-29-2009, 02:59 PM   #17
Tech Adept
 
gto0209's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Earth
Posts: 143
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by bakaguyjean View Post
I Think the only reason there are not more different bodies in 1/12th is they are hard to find but they are out there.
Bolink 1/12th
http://www.speedysracingparts.com/Bodies.htm
Delta Plastik
http://www.deltaplastik.it/index.php...cat1=6&cat2=35
The body molds that Apexspeed posted pictures are the old Bolink/Jerobee molds but the price for the bodies I have been told are $40 each. More of a collectors price than a racers price.
Great Find, hope those bolinks are out soon! So whos goin to start hounding trinity about the old andy's molds???
__________________
long live f-1
gto0209 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-29-2009, 03:16 PM   #18
Tech Champion
 
liljohn1064's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Deerfield, WI
Posts: 5,582
Trader Rating: 17 (100%+)
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by gto0209 View Post
Great Find, hope those bolinks are out soon! So whos goin to start hounding trinity about the old andy's molds???
Holy Cow! did you check the 1/10 200mm body selection on the Italian site?

Ferrari, Lambo, Panoz, Alfa. Stunning detail too.

If 1/12 stays doorstop body, that's fine. It really is a challenging class to run from what I see. I'm already in over my head!
__________________
John Higgins former student of The Ian Ruggles Negative Reinforcement Driving School. The "Team Principal".
liljohn1064 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-29-2009, 04:16 PM   #19
Tech Fanatic
 
trailranger's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Springfield, MO
Posts: 946
Default

Thanks for all those that found and still make some GT bodies! As you can see, I'm not interested in handleing or downforce. I am wanting the looks of a real car. I don't expect to be driving a 3.7V with a silver can or 17.5 car very fast anyways. I was looking for something to take a beating from some beginners and looked a little better than a GTB clone body.

I am not a VTA fan becuase of the spec rules for tires, but I do like the appeal of cost effective close racing. Adding a cost effective 1:12 racing class with realistic bodies may be a hot ticket. Being cost effective does not require Spec tire rules, just a simple rule to keep the tires tall and meaty and limited to one compoud for front and rear. Maybe imposing a 1 Lipo rule would be good too since there would be no need for multiple packs.

Anyways, back on topic thanks for finding some GT bodies!
__________________
"If everything seems under control, you're just not going fast enough." - Mario Andretti
trailranger is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-29-2009, 05:20 PM   #20
Tech Apprentice
 
OvalDude99's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Watertown SD
Posts: 79
Trader Rating: 3 (100%+)
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by jiml View Post
People want realistic bodies, just not in 12th scale.

Well, some people want realistic bodies but molded after current LeMans Prototype bodies. The problem there is it's impossible to model a modern car from a single sheet of lexan, and still have it handle.

Vintage Trans Am combined with Touring Cars is fine, but not in 12th scale. And the question I have to ask when you want 2 forms of VTA is Why?
Why? To do something different. Believe it or not, there are some of us who don't want to run mod 12th scale.
Somebody please explain to me why, when reading all the threads on this and other forums, all that is discussed is how to make the cars faster? Personally, I say slow things down a bit and make the RACING better.
12th scale GT sounds like a great idea to me.
__________________
Time to play the game.
RIP Chris, you will be missed.
OvalDude99 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-29-2009, 07:15 PM   #21
Tech Fanatic
 
bakaguyjean's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Atsugi Japan
Posts: 823
Trader Rating: 1 (100%+)
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by OvalDude99 View Post
Why? To do something different. Believe it or not, there are some of us who don't want to run mod 12th scale.
Somebody please explain to me why, when reading all the threads on this and other forums, all that is discussed is how to make the cars faster? Personally, I say slow things down a bit and make the RACING better.
12th scale GT sounds like a great idea to me.
I agree with you about the cars not needing to be so fast. Personally I run silver can 540s. Mostly F103 and F103GT chassis cars and a few 1/12th cars.
We are currently running the F103GT with Super Gt bodies only. I am in Japan so Japanese cars are whats popular. But the cars are more scale than even the WGT cars.
I fastest guy i run with is faster than be because he can drive.
All of these videos here are of Silver Can 540s

http://jp.youtube.com/profile?user=78lotus&view=videos

The 1/12th Bolink bodies from here
http://www.speedysracingparts.com/Bodies.htm
are in stock,and i order a few of the Greenwood Corvettes and Chargers.

I can finaly retire my Jerobee Greenwood Corvette body. The 30+years old body looks a little strange with all the extra body mount holes.
__________________
My body projects blog http://rcbodyproject.wordpress.com/
bakaguyjean is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-29-2009, 07:20 PM   #22
Tech Champion
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Long Island, NY
Posts: 7,211
Trader Rating: 2 (100%+)
Default

Find me anyone who races 1/12 mod at the club level any more.

Look, I don't necessarily disagree with you, it's just that some of your ideas have been tried and failed. That and too many classes isn't a good thing either.
jiml is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-29-2009, 07:26 PM   #23
Tech Fanatic
 
bakaguyjean's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Atsugi Japan
Posts: 823
Trader Rating: 1 (100%+)
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by trailranger View Post

I am not a VTA fan becuase of the spec rules for tires, but I do like the appeal of cost effective close racing. Adding a cost effective 1:12 racing class with realistic bodies may be a hot ticket. Being cost effective does not require Spec tire rules, just a simple rule to keep the tires tall and meaty and limited to one compoud for front and rear. Maybe imposing a 1 Lipo rule would be good too since there would be no need for multiple packs.

Anyways, back on topic thanks for finding some GT bodies!
I think one probelm you might run into is 1/12th chassis are expensive to start with. Even with big discounts shops like Stormer you are still looking at around $250 for just the chassis. You could try the Tamiya Tam Tech Gear cars as the are basically 1/12th with some really nice bodies. They are all RWD. They are really slow with the stock 500ma battery but they get alot faster with a bigger battery.
You can even mount the TTG bodies on a 1/12th chassis if you like. Just be sure to check the wheel base.The Porsche bodies would be the best option.

Just some ideas as i enjoy scale also.
__________________
My body projects blog http://rcbodyproject.wordpress.com/
bakaguyjean is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-29-2009, 07:54 PM   #24
Tech Fanatic
 
bakaguyjean's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: Atsugi Japan
Posts: 823
Trader Rating: 1 (100%+)
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by jiml View Post
Find me anyone who races 1/12 mod at the club level any more.

Look, I don't necessarily disagree with you, it's just that some of your ideas have been tried and failed. That and too many classes isn't a good thing either.
I think that at the club level you can run anything that the club wants to. The RC world is huge, If the products are out there then somebody will race it. Its easy to make simple rules for a class. If its wanted it can be run,but for 1/12th GT. Most of the old GT style bodies are hiding and are hard to find. Bolink for example makes some nice 1/12th bodies but they are not even listed on the website. Almost nobody knows they are even available. The Andys molds are laying around some where, Vans invent has some also,website dosent work. The really old Bolink 1/12th body molds are hiding in a garage somewhere.
All of these bodies are classics that everybody knows even if you havent ran 1/12th before.
The single easiest way to get some scale in 1/12th is to paint the bodies like real cars and not flea market air brush art. The current bodies can look good just by painting them with a little taste.
I love scale and really think it needs to be part of the regulations in all classes.
__________________
My body projects blog http://rcbodyproject.wordpress.com/
bakaguyjean is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-29-2009, 08:32 PM   #25
Tech Initiate
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Posts: 20
Trader Rating: 2 (100%+)
Default

Why are there no GT bodies for 1:12-escort-mk1.jpg

Why are there no GT bodies for 1:12-escort.jpg
Geoff Smith is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-29-2009, 08:32 PM   #26
Tech Elite
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Florida
Posts: 3,922
Trader Rating: 3 (100%+)
Default

If your interested I've got the following( oh yes I do not have a camera). These bodies are new and in the orginal bags- Datsun/ Nissan 280Z By Bolink,Andy's 300 Nissan ZX, Bolink Nissan 300ZX. GTP- 1/12th Porsche by Bolink with the same in 1/10th (wide). They have been hanging in the garage for all these years.I've been going though the garage these last few weeks.
I went to that Italian site- The Schee was the body we I first started racing. I actually saw the real car at Road Atlanta in the pits. I also have a Sorbello made my Parma on the wall that I Painted for best paint way back when.
__________________
Team Epic/Trinity -Michael Bruce Hobbies-Team CRC ,Kimbrough Products and GForce.
WGT-R, GT-12 Racing USA (21.5 ), Formula 1 and Home Track is 386 RaceWay,ROAR #7540.
BullFrog is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-29-2009, 08:33 PM   #27
Tech Elite
 
Trips's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: 360 Speedway
Posts: 2,251
Trader Rating: 16 (100%+)
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by trailranger View Post
Being cost effective does not require Spec tire rules, just a simple rule to keep the tires tall and meaty and limited to one compoud for front and rear.
That's actually false economy. I cut my 1/12 tires down to 1.75 rear and 1.65 front and i can get three full race days to a set. Guys I know who leave them "tall and meaty" to try for longer life usually chunk their tires in one or two runs.
__________________
MARSHAL!!
Trips is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-30-2009, 10:02 AM   #28
Tech Fanatic
 
trailranger's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Springfield, MO
Posts: 946
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Trips View Post
That's actually false economy. I cut my 1/12 tires down to 1.75 rear and 1.65 front and i can get three full race days to a set. Guys I know who leave them "tall and meaty" to try for longer life usually chunk their tires in one or two runs.
By tall and meaty, I should have clarified that would be the race ready cut tires provided by most companies. Not to be taken as the old days of 1/2" of foam on the rim.

I won't argue on massively tall tires as sidewall compromise/flex does lead to chunks. Thre are still some that will cut a new tire down to less than 1mm of foam on the rim just to reduce rotating mass.
__________________
"If everything seems under control, you're just not going fast enough." - Mario Andretti
trailranger is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-30-2009, 10:23 AM   #29
Tech Fanatic
 
trailranger's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Springfield, MO
Posts: 946
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by bakaguyjean View Post
I think one probelm you might run into is 1/12th chassis are expensive to start with. Even with big discounts shops like Stormer you are still looking at around $250 for just the chassis. You could try the Tamiya Tam Tech Gear cars as the are basically 1/12th with some really nice bodies. They are all RWD. They are really slow with the stock 500ma battery but they get alot faster with a bigger battery.
You can even mount the TTG bodies on a 1/12th chassis if you like. Just be sure to check the wheel base.The Porsche bodies would be the best option.

Just some ideas as i enjoy scale also.
I understand that this is a hobby, but toys need to be played with at home and the race chassis be brought to track. The cost for 1:12 can be as cheap or as expensive as a person would want to make it. A good used 1:12 can be bought for about $50 to $125. A like new car will cost more. If inferior equipment is used for the chassis, then the entry level cars will become a money pit for needing option parts to keep from breaking or have the adjustments needed for racing. I bought a RC18T serveal years ago, and that was an eye opener for me for all the parts I needed just to make it work: SwingShafts, Steering links, Tie-rods, better servo, stonger ESC, odd sized pinions, pricey foam tires, DSM modual to use with my Radio, chassis upgrade kit, ect. ect.
__________________
"If everything seems under control, you're just not going fast enough." - Mario Andretti
trailranger is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-30-2009, 11:11 AM   #30
Tech Rookie
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: NH
Posts: 17
Send a message via AIM to bigmac567
Default

1/12 scale has been running with the same rules and classes for a long time. Stock, Super Stock, and Mod it is one of the oldest and most popular classes still to this day. There is no need to change anything about them. Stop trying to make the cars easier to drive, and maybe try learning to drive better. There is a very easy way to to make the cars slower, Let of the throttle. Every track will have an entry level class at their track and you should suggest that at your local track. also if your looking for realistic looking cars TCS Mini Cooper Class is very realistic looking and the rules make it even better. only run front drive bodies on front drive chassis and. 1/12 scale cars are made to handle very well at high speeds and that is how they should be driven, not with dump truck bodies on them. Just my 2 cents.
bigmac567 is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
GT class--buggy-based on road! duneland Nitro On-Road 9643 11-16-2016 04:11 AM
Coral Springs On-Road Track yyhayyim Florida Racing 1646 01-12-2014 07:32 AM
Pantoura, 1/10 Pan Car, 2S LiPo, Brushless, Tips and Tricks. John Stranahan Electric On-Road 2178 12-01-2010 11:26 AM
GT10 Class JimmyMac Electric On-Road 886 09-07-2010 04:55 AM
Trackside presents 'TRANS-AM' racing class! 414MPH Wisconsin & Illinois Racing 772 09-22-2009 12:07 PM



Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are Off



All times are GMT -7. It is currently 07:40 PM.


We are a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for us to earn fees by linking to Amazon.com and affiliated sites.
Powered By: vBulletin v3.9.2.1
Privacy Policy | Terms of Use | Advertise Content © 2001-2011 RCTech.net