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Old 03-12-2006, 05:05 AM   #13246
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Yes...Those white springs are Tamiya.
List of Tamiyas (hard springs)

Soft-Red
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and there are a few others but they are the mains ones
Hard is Blue
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Is the 415 original version or the MS still good to use? The brand new MSX would bust my wallet , so I'll just try to buy a used one that's still in good condition. Can anyone give suggestions on what shock oil and springs to use? Our track is small technical and cemented. Thanks.
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Is the 415 original version or the MS still good to use? The brand new MSX would bust my wallet , so I'll just try to buy a used one that's still in good condition. Can anyone give suggestions on what shock oil and springs to use? Our track is small technical and cemented. Thanks.
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Either one would do fine. If you're going to get the 415 version (3.0 mm lwr deck), don't run the car w/ the stiffning posts front & rear in order to give you more chassis flex for more grip. If you get the MS version, just start w/ the kit set-up & then remove the stiffning posts to see if it improves the handling of the car.

For shock oil & springs, I use personally Associated oil 40 F/R & Gold /Silver springs for F/R.

You may want to try a neutral set-up (kit settings) on the car when you first run it at your track. Then make your adjustments from there.

Hope this helps you out.
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Old 03-12-2006, 07:27 AM   #13249
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Kumusta rin! Are you staying outside the country?

Stiffening posts? What part is that? The shock towers? (sorry if i dont know ) Anyway, thanks for the info, ill take note of that. How about 30wt shock oil? would it be too soft? Can it be compensated if I use harder springs with the 30wt shock oil? Thanks!
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Kumusta rin! Are you staying outside the country?

Stiffening posts? What part is that? The shock towers? (sorry if i dont know ) Anyway, thanks for the info, ill take note of that. How about 30wt shock oil? would it be too soft? Can it be compensated if I use harder springs with the 30wt shock oil? Thanks!
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The stiffening posts are the posts that are connected from the mid decks to the bottom plate to prevent side to side flex. If you're going to get the 415 (3.0mm bottom plate) you don't need to have the posts since you want more grip but if you're going to run on carpet surface you need to have a stiffer chassis due to the surface of the track has a lot of traction for the tires thus the stiffening posts.

For the shock oil, you can probably start w/ that. But need to ask, is the surface of the track smooth or a bit bumpy? Better yet ask the guys who race there on a regular basis. They should know what's suitable for the track. If you still decide to go w/ 30wt shock oil, you can probably run your springs harder & see the results of that setting. You may also want to check other racers who also run the 415 series car at your track. As I mentioned earlier, run the kit settings from the manual & then make adjustments later so you can dial in on the track layout & also be tailored to your driving style since this will be your first time to run Tamiya touring cars (correct me if I'm wrong on that assumption).

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Thanks.Yup this will be the 1st time to run a tamiya TC. I currently have a tc3 but I'm annoyed with it. Always breaks. Most of the racers here use Xray's. I think they use 30wt oil. The track is not too smooth. Here's a link of out local track: http://ceburc.web1000.com/track.html hope you get the idea. Thanks again.

EDIT: by the way, I think I'll be getting a 415 (w/ some ms parts) can you suggest me what parts to have as spares for this car? I know some, but I need more basis to decide well.
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Thanks.Yup this will be the 1st time to run a tamiya TC. I currently have a tc3 but I'm annoyed with it. Always breaks. Most of the racers here use Xray's. I think they use 30wt oil. The track is not too smooth. Here's a link of out local track: http://ceburc.web1000.com/track.html hope you get the idea. Thanks again.

EDIT: by the way, I think I'll be getting a 415 (w/ some ms parts) can you suggest me what parts to have as spares for this car? I know some, but I need more basis to decide well.
Would have been nice if the track had a nice layer of asphalt.

When you said you're getting the 415 w/ some MS parts, which parts from the MS are you getting with the kit and what parts do you know already you need as spares? If you can provide a list of the things you have in mind so I can add more (if needed) to your list.
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Old 03-12-2006, 08:51 AM   #13253
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You're absolutely correct but money talks and cement track is easier to maintain and has a longer life span. .

Here are some spares I know (or I think) I should get:

-extra belt set
-front & rear susp. arms
-front susp. blocks
-shock towers (esp front)
-ball cups
-turnbuckles
-extra screws

But I'm not sure if I really need all of these. By the way, I'm going to join a national race held at our place. So, I need spares to "survive" it.
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Old 03-12-2006, 09:05 AM   #13254
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Replace the aluminium turnbukles with titanium ones (the aluminium ones bend/snap), low friction belts, a few wheel hub bearings, f & r suspension arms, tamiya shock spring set, direct centre pulley, steering nuckles/blocks, castor block and maybe a few spare screws and you'll be set to race.

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Old 03-12-2006, 01:28 PM   #13255
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I was wondering if you guys could give me the part #s for a couple things because, i don't have a manual and my LHS doesn't carry high end Tamiya.

I need the #s for

Low friction belts (from any car, as long as they work on the 415)
Ball cups
diff out drives
diff pully
diff rings
diff balls
the metal washers for adjusting roll center
the metal washers for adjusting wheelbase, anti squat, etc

thanks.
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Old 03-12-2006, 01:50 PM   #13256
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The best place to get those parts is speedtechrc.com. Just go to the parts section for the 415, and it will all be there. If you plan on ordering from your LHS, then just get the part numbers off of that website also,
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Stiffening posts? What part is that? The shock towers? (sorry if i dont know ) Anyway, thanks for the info, ill take note of that. How about 30wt shock oil? would it be too soft? Can it be compensated if I use harder springs with the 30wt shock oil? Thanks!
Personally, I wouldn't try compensating for softer oil with stiffer springs, as you are more than likely to get the damping out of sync with the spring rate. I tend to run off the principle that a stiffer spring requires stiffer oil... doesn't always work quite as easy as that (depends on track conditions) but it's good as a rule of thumb.
If you can get hold of some stiffer oil do that. As JRRobiso says, 40wt should be fine, most team drivers seem to use in that region (35-40wt) outdoors.
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I was wondering if you guys could give me the part #s for a couple things because, i don't have a manual and my LHS doesn't carry high end Tamiya.

I need the #s for

Low friction belts (from any car, as long as they work on the 415)
Ball cups
diff out drives
diff pully
diff rings
diff balls
the metal washers for adjusting roll center
the metal washers for adjusting wheelbase, anti squat, etc

thanks.
53706 front belt
53707 rear belt
53601 low friction 5mm ball cup
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Thanks for the help guys! Thanks also for the part numbers which I thought on acquiring but you gave them so no need anymore. For all your suggestions and tips, I'll take note of it. . All I need know is to choose whether to buy a new 415(w/c will bust my wallet ) or a used one.
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Thanks for the help guys! Thanks also for the part numbers which I thought on acquiring but you gave them so no need anymore. For all your suggestions and tips, I'll take note of it. . All I need know is to choose whether to buy a new 415(w/c will bust my wallet ) or a used one.

Get a new one... A used one will need more maintenence,since its used and parts get older.So at least a new one will let you have a peace of mind that everything is new so less of part wear & tear.
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