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Old 01-17-2006, 02:53 AM   #12286
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Hi,

I am new to Tamiya products and I have now one MSX.

After looking for some Setups with rubber tires for carpet, I got confused about the use of the suspension mounts.
They exist from A to D (and X?) and they also exist from XA to XD - I thinks so.

Some people are nut using the X? but like A with C, so what for are the XA or XD for???

thanks in advance

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Old 01-17-2006, 03:04 AM   #12287
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Hi,

I am new to Tamiya products and I have now one MSX.

After looking for some Setups with rubber tires for carpet, I got confused about the use of the suspension mounts.
They exist from A to D (and X?) and they also exist from XA to XD - I thinks so.

Some people are nut using the X? but like A with C, so what for are the XA or XD for???

thanks in advance

cheers

Cy
XA to XD are narrow then the A,B,C,Ds....
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Old 01-17-2006, 03:19 AM   #12288
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Thumbs up Tamiya Suspension Mounts

Thanks for th e quick reaction.

I did use some spacers on the rear to increase turn in and agility of some other cars I had, but I never used the suspension mounts method nor did it to the front. So I do not now exactly the result of driving with a front train wider than the rear.
Also the difference between in board (susp. mounts) and out board (wheel spacers) are not so clear to me. I am sure it will influence the suspension by changing a bit the leverage of the arm, but the linkage changes and most of all the parctical results I never tried.
If somebody has some experience hot to use this possibility (different wide suspension mounts - sure I know toe in at the rear!!!) please give me some info on the subject.

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Morning people

Spent yesterday working on the MSX setup sheet (well took a few hours last ngiht). I now have a copy minus all the japanese writing, and with a few extra options (like my previous ones).

The main changes are;
Added Shock length to the sheet
Removed the sections for O-rings in the shocks
re-worded a number of options (the aformentioned Rebound stoke is now Droop)
Moved options around a bit to creat more space to write in.

You can get it at

High Res
Low Res

Also TRF415boy has sorted an interactive .pdf version of the original sheet.

MSX interactive .pdf

Let me know what you think
I'll be adding them to the site proper later this week, as well as a few more setups I've accumulated (including the Marc R IIC one)
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Old 01-17-2006, 04:10 AM   #12290
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Thumbs up TRF 415 MSX SETUP pages

Thank you for your work ED.

I cannot wait to see the setups you are about to post.
Perhaps somebody tell me where are setups from the MSX being posted.

I tried it at the last WE race in Austria and was rubber tires (T.OFF C22) on carpet. The feeling I got was that the chassis was not stiff enough, but perhaps was only my setup.

cheers

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Old 01-17-2006, 04:11 AM   #12291
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Hi,

I am new to Tamiya products and I have now one MSX.

After looking for some Setups with rubber tires for carpet, I got confused about the use of the suspension mounts.
They exist from A to D (and X?) and they also exist from XA to XD - I thinks so.

Some people are nut using the X? but like A with C, so what for are the XA or XD for???

thanks in advance

cheers

Cy
It goes from narrowest to widest : XD XC XB XA X A B C D. Makes it clear now.
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Old 01-17-2006, 04:25 AM   #12292
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Thank you for your work ED.

I cannot wait to see the setups you are about to post.
Perhaps somebody tell me where are setups from the MSX being posted.

I tried it at the last WE race in Austria and was rubber tires (T.OFF C22) on carpet. The feeling I got was that the chassis was not stiff enough, but perhaps was only my setup.

cheers

Cy
Hi,
If you go to the first link in my signature, there are a few setups on there, as well as a few useful other bits and pieces.

With regard to the suspension blocks, running the car narrower tends to increase the grip, whilst allowing that end of the car to rotate quicker.
If you need the car to rotate quickly, try narrowing the rear blocks.
I find for carpet that D-D or C-A on the front works best.
On the rear go as wide as you can, say A-D, or X-C (for 19t or stock)

Martin Crisp posted a good carpet setup too.
http://www.thard.co.uk/setups/MCrisp-IIC05(MS).jpg
This was for the MS car, but should work well for indoor carpet (he did win the 05 IIC 19t class with it ).

Something else to try is raising the suspension blocks and camber links by 0.5mm all round. This will raise the cars roll centre, making it react quicker on carpet.

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Old 01-17-2006, 05:34 AM   #12293
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I am thinking of buying an MSX at the moment and was wondering which Hop-ups were worth gettting straight away?
what would you guys recommend?
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Old 01-17-2006, 05:45 AM   #12294
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Old 01-17-2006, 07:06 AM   #12295
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I had a friend of mine do it for me. He doesn't really want to get into producing them just did me a favor of sorts. I worked well so I wanted to share it with my Tamiya brothers haha! They are very simple to make though. All you need is a peice of 3mm carbon and a dremel to mill out the steering linkage and pulley clearance.
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Old 01-17-2006, 09:11 AM   #12296
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Just some fyi to the guys running the msx on carpet. I had this top deck made up and it drastically improved the the chassis flex without modifying your old mid decks. Zero tweak issue and the car was definetly more stable. Since this was a Ms conversion it has the 2.5mm chassis. I love this car!
If you want to further strengthen your car from tweaking. Counter sink your shock towers, all aluminum upper deck pieces, and carbon fiber top plate.
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Old 01-17-2006, 09:32 AM   #12297
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Car arrived today TryHard, now I can get to asking questions, lol.
Does anyone have a setup for the MSX with the standard suspension arms for asphalt? I have no idea as the only cars I have run are from the AE camp...

Cheers in advance
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Old 01-17-2006, 10:02 AM   #12298
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Hi,
If you go to the first link in my signature, there are a few setups on there, as well as a few useful other bits and pieces.

With regard to the suspension blocks, running the car narrower tends to increase the grip, whilst allowing that end of the car to rotate quicker.
If you need the car to rotate quickly, try narrowing the rear blocks.
I find for carpet that D-D or C-A on the front works best.
On the rear go as wide as you can, say A-D, or X-C (for 19t or stock)

Martin Crisp posted a good carpet setup too.
http://www.thard.co.uk/setups/MCrisp-IIC05(MS).jpg
This was for the MS car, but should work well for indoor carpet (he did win the 05 IIC 19t class with it ).

Something else to try is raising the suspension blocks and camber links by 0.5mm all round. This will raise the cars roll centre, making it react quicker on carpet.

HiH
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HEy Ed, is the set-up sheet for Martin with Foam our rubber tires...considering the use of a front one-way...i would think its rubber???please advise....thanks again
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Old 01-17-2006, 10:11 AM   #12299
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Hello All,

I've been looking to purchase a new touring car and am leaning towards the TRF415 MSX Refine 2. Beautiful car, excellent quality, and great handling. I've read this thread and have some basic questions for anyone that owns the Refine 2:

Which parts break most frequently? (C-hubs, A-arms, Steering Blocks, etc.)

What parts do you always carry with you?

Where do you get parts? Overseas? USA? (Everyone seems to be out of parts all the time, including Tamiya USA)

Which Arms/C-hubs come with the Refine 2? (LW, Hard, Standard?)

Which dealer actually has the Yokomo parts in Stock for the Front Diff conversion?

Thanks in advance for the assistance.
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Old 01-17-2006, 10:12 AM   #12300
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After this friday's run with my MSX, I'm a broken man...I basically have an 3mm chassis with standard arms and the MSX conversion. (I also have a new R2 kit unbuilt.)

I've become desperate...I can't seem to find a base set-up to start with....or make inprovements

According to everyone I race with...the car lloks good on the track...very stable...just seems to be 4-7 tenths per lap off the pass from guys I'm usually on pace with in fuel on-road....


My problem is I do not get enough stick time to work out my problems...so I need a chassis with a good starting point to work with....everyone in the area..(other than Steve) runs Xray's...I have no one to go to for help with the Tamiya...

In our area we race on foam tires....

I'm at a cross raod....I need to start all over....what should I do???
1.) re-set my 3mm / standard arms / MSX convers. / ball diff with a new base set-up??
2.) build the R2 kit with LWT arms / ball diff
3.) finish building the Xray T2 I picked up friday night after getting my ass handed to me.... / sell all my TRF stuff

Sincerely....a desperate nitro guy looking to get back some respect in electric racing...
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