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Old 12-20-2005, 08:30 PM   #11821
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http://www.daltonshop.com/tips_tricks.htm

The first 5 pics.. all you need to do is to find local workshop with CNC machine.
OMG....Thats cool !!
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Old 12-20-2005, 10:28 PM   #11822
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Yeah.... good point.

finding pictures of Rheinard's stuff is like finding hens teeth sometimes.... I hate it.
Here are some pics of Marc's cars that he actually raced at the IIC Vegas race

Rubber Car

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Old 12-20-2005, 11:51 PM   #11823
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Here's the car that Marc used at the Carpet World Cup.

Looks just like my car, a std 415 with the MSX Conversion kit
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Old 12-21-2005, 07:06 AM   #11824
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Thanks guys !...
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Old 12-21-2005, 07:38 PM   #11825
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Talking RE: Vegas race!

Rheinards runs 1/12 pan cars? I didn't know that! Nice paint schemes.

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Old 12-21-2005, 07:43 PM   #11826
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Took my 415MSX out for its first run. Seems nice, a tiny bit of understeer, but good all round. Unfortunately broke a front upright on one of the corners (damn bits of wood) so that killed the testing session.

Also looking at doing some fiddling with my car suspension. I know with moving the shock position on the shock tower, it can lessen or increase the amount of pressure the shock absorber is putting on the wheel, giving I guess fine control that changing a spring on that wheel would not do. But what does moving the bottom shock mount on the lower arm do? Is it a similar thing or a different kettle o' fish all together?

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Old 12-22-2005, 06:02 AM   #11827
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But what does moving the bottom shock mount on the lower arm do? Is it a similar thing or a different kettle o' fish all together?
Moving the bottom shock mount out will increase the grip at that end of the car and moving it in will decrease grip at that end

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Old 12-22-2005, 06:32 AM   #11828
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Moving the bottom shock mount out will increase the grip at that end of the car and moving it in will decrease grip at that end

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Are you sure? That sounds backwards to me. Wouldn't mounting the shocks further out on the arm make the car stiffer - therefore less grip??

I would like to know generally what hole in the arms everyone uses for rubbers on ashpalt - I've been given a couple of setups to try but I don't want to reverse the arms yet (go to the 2-hole side) unless that is the way most people run them.
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Old 12-22-2005, 06:39 AM   #11829
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I have always thought that a more led down shock will give more grip and a more upright shock will give less grip. I have always been told this and for me it works . But I think in a situation like this you should try things on your own to see how it works for you .

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Old 12-22-2005, 09:15 AM   #11830
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From my understanding, a more layed down shock will provide an initially softer feel that proportionally gets stiffer as the suspension compresses. It makes a car want to "carve" once a turn is initiated. Small corrections to steering once the car's weight begins to transfer is a bit more vague. Shocks that are stood up feel very direct and have a more linear feel when the suspension compresses. Moving the lower shock positions changes the suspsension and shock rates. Typically, moving them further out will provide a more direct rate to that of the wheel. That's my "non-precision" explanation
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Old 12-22-2005, 09:58 AM   #11831
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Does anyone have a setup for smooth asphalt,outdoor rubber tire.

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Old 12-22-2005, 10:21 AM   #11832
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The other thing to take into consideration is the leverage affect that the suspension arm puts on the shock.
Good guide on it http://home.tiscali.be/be067749/58/
Effectively, placing the shock further out on the arm has the effect of softening the suspension.

Bender;
I've been running my MSX in either hole 2 or 3 on the arm. Indoors on carpet I found 3 best, but outdoors on asphalt 2 works better. The lower CoG of the MSX allows you to run it softer, whilst still rolling the same amount.

Robertr;
Have a look at the link in my sig, there are a number of setups on there (yes I know I have still to add the rest.. I will do it soon, honest!)

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Old 12-22-2005, 12:27 PM   #11833
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Just wondering what pistons and oil come in the kit and when i start to build it should i leave the bearings as standard or flush and oil

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Old 12-23-2005, 01:23 AM   #11834
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Just wondering what pistons and oil come in the kit and when i start to build it should i leave the bearings as standard or flush and oil

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The kit comes with 3 oil pistons and I think #400 oil. I put in two hole pistons and Schumacher 40wt oil.
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The other thing to take into consideration is the leverage affect that the suspension arm puts on the shock.
Good guide on it http://home.tiscali.be/be067749/58/
Effectively, placing the shock further out on the arm has the effect of softening the suspension.
According to that link you posted you've got it backwards

"The formula tell us that the closer the bottoms of the shocks are mounted to the middle of the chassis, the softer the wheel rate will be."
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