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Old 11-03-2005, 01:43 AM   #11101
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sup I RAN MY msx tonight for the 1st time with cs27s 19turn with spool
1st I had a push useing A C blocks then went to A D didnt help so I went back to A A no push... now its a bit loose in the rear off power it is new crc carpet but there is some dope down... running A D blocks rear zero hubs 5mm ride 5mm droop Ft&rear the old way to fix was to run cs 22 on the rear but I don't want to do that due to TCS racing the tamiya type A is about the same as a CS27..its just a bit too loose for me any help will do
try raising the ride height in the front .5 mm or decrease the droop .5mm in the rear so there is not as much weight transfer to the front when you get off the throttle. try using 1X-D rear blocks.
I would definitely check tweek first before making changes. It doesn't take much tweek to make the car loose in the rear on the 415's. Very good chassis but also very sensitive to changes!
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Old 11-03-2005, 02:06 AM   #11102
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Tested out my 415MSX today with the belt/servo conversion I did and it was pretty good. A lot of steering! Fast into the turns and the rear is stuck with the DJ rear suspension. Anyone else have set-ups, MSX+DJ other then DJ himself to try? Outdoors.
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Old 11-03-2005, 03:04 AM   #11103
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Someone knows if there are different suspension shafts for the stock 415 not for the MS which are shorter. I have heard from some stainless steel or something what is stronger. Some part# maybe?
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Old 11-03-2005, 03:45 AM   #11104
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Does anyone have any idea about what options will be included in the 415 refine2 kit like sway bars, suspension blocks etc?

I noticed that a price of less than 40000yen was quoted - at this pric eis it likely to include any extra tuning bits?
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Old 11-03-2005, 04:13 AM   #11105
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Well all 415s have had a wide array of suspension blocks and have all included sway bars (different strengths) as well so I'd think it'd remain the same.
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Old 11-03-2005, 09:19 AM   #11106
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My 415 arrived last night, and looking to get a decent setup for this weekends big race. Ill be running double pink/orange double pink Jacos on ozite carpet. Its a flowing track, definately not tight. Its a std 415, looks to have hardened arms, 3mm chassis. Im pretty limited on suspension blocks, from what i could see this morning before running to work, it had 1D 1A, and i think a 1C in the rear. didnt catch the other one. Has a few in the box it came with also. Currently has a centre one way and front one way installed, and im stuck here because the only other option is a spool. Didnt seem to come with a front ball diff. Ill try to make one from the parts it came with, but not sure (didnt come with a manual either). Ill be running a GTB 5.5R, 3800's. Any help to get me sorted would be GREATLY appreciated Any online manual would be a major bonus Im after a consistent setup, something i can drive easily Many thanks guys

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With the one-way it will be a challenge to find a setup that works consistently if the track is high bite. The car willl feel like it wants to continue turning the corner when you want it to go straight, not to mention the harsh turn-in you will get. Having said that, here is a setup to start with.

Front:

droop - 1mm
springs - in the 30 to 33lb range (eg. assoc purple)
oil -80 orion
shock Pos. - 2 holes in on shock tower. outer hole on arm
inside upper links - 5mm spacer (take away spacers if you want more steering)
blocks - A and A no spacers
caster - 4 degrees
sway bars - Blue
toe out - none
wheel hub spacers - 0mm
camber 1.5
wheel base - run as far forward as possible
ride height - 5 mm

Rear:

droop - 1mm
springs - 25 to 28lb spring (eg. assoc red or copper)
oil - 80 orion
shock pos - two holes in on shock tower, inner of two holes on arm
inside upper links - no spacers
outside upper link - 0.7 (if you have the alloy uprights)
upper link length - middle hole on alloy upright (or highest hole on plastic one)
blocks - d and b, no spacers (2 degree toe in)
wheel base - 2mm backward
belt - position 2
ride height - 5 mm


Only put traction compound on the inside half of the front tire and glue the vertical sidewall (front tire only) to help reduce the effect of the one-way.
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Old 11-03-2005, 12:07 PM   #11107
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1mm of droop wow I will try that as well ...I found that the less droop the less traction but I well try it anyway.thats pritty stiff also is it for foam as well ..... the spool will help with the swapping ends we will see sunday...
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Old 11-03-2005, 12:23 PM   #11108
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sorry did read it all it is for foam
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Old 11-03-2005, 12:36 PM   #11109
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2x HP73507 Front and Rear Hub carriers
4x 10x5 (or 1050 if you like) bearings (8 if you want to use the rears too)

Axle wise, you can use either
TAM53499 Tamiya Universal Axles (as used in the 414 suspension)
OR
HP75187 PRO4 Universal axles (NOT the MIP CVD ones)

Either of these will be a direct fit to the 46mm dogbones, but with the Tamiya axles, you'll need to use axle spacers to take up the play. These were designed for the std hub, in which the bearings are spaced further apart than on the pro4 hub.

Also, when putting the hubs in, you'll need to use either 0.5 or 0.7mm shim to take up play between the knuckle and c-hub. Place on top, to lower the axle height (which is part of the whole point of using them )

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Old 11-03-2005, 12:51 PM   #11110
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why cant i open your spring chart ????
hmmm... strange?
have you tried it directly from the link on the site... the link i posted on here a while ago is probably dead, as I changed the filename.

Try this one
http://www.thard.co.uk/rc/TRF415/set...pringsheet.xls

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2x HP73507 Front and Rear Hub carriers

the rear Hub is 0, 1 or 2 ?
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I lost a bearing holder for one of my 415 cars. The part # is 51052 however it has been "discontinued?" IS there a part # from another tamiya car that would fit? It holds the 4 x 8mm bearing for the layshaft.

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Tamiya America isn't showing that part as being discontinued
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Old 11-03-2005, 03:24 PM   #11114
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I lost a bearing holder for one of my 415 cars. The part # is 51052 however it has been "discontinued?" IS there a part # from another tamiya car that would fit? It holds the 4 x 8mm bearing for the layshaft.

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Have you tried some of the Japanese online stores like Rainbow Ten or RC Champ for that part? I know that on the Tamiya US site they say the standard 415 stickers (non MS/X) are discontinued, but you can still get them from Japanese stores.
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Old 11-03-2005, 03:24 PM   #11115
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Weird. Ok...
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