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Old 05-23-2005, 10:11 AM   #8926
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Personally if i were to have a choice between the Standard car and the MS, I would get the MS...

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Tried the DJ suspension this weekend... but I'm reserving judgement until I can get more running on it.
Basically struggled with rear end grip mid corner, car just wanted to keep breaking away. Finally solved it by running the shocks on the middle hole on the rear tower... and it was certainly better to drive, but i then got rained on Doh! (and promptly had too much rear end grip.... Double DOH!)

I think the problem was, is that even though the springs etc are so soft (using the supplied red springs with 20wt oil, 3hole pistons) the setup is so much more inherently stiff that I'd failed to compensate for it.... then again that only comes with experience. Also low track temps didn't help either.

Still can't wait to get back out and try it again... in the short 5laps i had in the dry, the car certainly felt stable... and this is on a real bumpy track. Here's to next weekend

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Old 05-23-2005, 10:32 AM   #8927
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415 stock suspension

after looking at a few setups from m.rhienhard, e.andressen, and others i noticed most of them run something like...

inner ballstud height in front at around 4-6mm then 0mm in the rear.

why you would want to run that high in front...is that to get the inner ballstud height more even with the outer ballstud?

just wondering if this was setup that way so that the camber gain is not so extreme in the front.
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Old 05-23-2005, 10:36 AM   #8928
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So are you saying to get the stock version of the trf415 and not the trf415ms version of the car if I am racing on asphalt with rubbers? What about racing on asphalt with foams? And by durable, do you mean that they break easily or not as easy to drive with?
For me the stock 415 sus. is alot more durable but a little less adjustments. The 415MS with the LW suspension has more adjustments but offers less reliablity. Especially the stock rear hub carriers.

I ran the LW suspension when I had my EVO IV and it was nice but broke easier. Since I'm only running asphalt with Rubber tires I don't need to the LW adjustments. Now if your going to run Foams, Rubbers and carpet you might want the LW suspension. For my purpose though I just like the stock suspension. My car works great and any lack of speed I have has nothing to do with me running the older suspension.
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Old 05-23-2005, 12:43 PM   #8929
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Maybe the car will handle better if I take her advice instead of my own?

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Old 05-23-2005, 01:49 PM   #8930
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question.

415 stock suspension

after looking at a few setups from m.rhienhard, e.andressen, and others i noticed most of them run something like...

inner ballstud height in front at around 4-6mm then 0mm in the rear.

why you would want to run that high in front...is that to get the inner ballstud height more even with the outer ballstud?

just wondering if this was setup that way so that the camber gain is not so extreme in the front.
Newbie question attached to that question, what is teh inner ballstud height? Is that where the top suspension arm clips onto the main chassis?
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Old 05-23-2005, 08:44 PM   #8932
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Old 05-23-2005, 10:39 PM   #8933
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Old 05-24-2005, 04:42 AM   #8934
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415 stock suspension

after looking at a few setups from m.rhienhard, e.andressen, and others i noticed most of them run something like...

inner ballstud height in front at around 4-6mm then 0mm in the rear.

why you would want to run that high in front...is that to get the inner ballstud height more even with the outer ballstud?

just wondering if this was setup that way so that the camber gain is not so extreme in the front.
they do this to lower the roll center in the front which gives them more front grip.
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Old 05-24-2005, 05:35 AM   #8935
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Can't argue with the top drivers in the world, but crikey , you'd think it would make the car hook up and spin pretty bad running the top link like that.
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I'd like to see the rest of the setup
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Old 05-24-2005, 06:39 AM   #8937
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Well I've found the kit setup to be okay, just it pushes a lot but is very stable. Perhaps this large level of roll center could level it out. Gotta go testing some day instead of speculating.
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they do this to lower the roll center in the front which gives them more front grip.
I was thinking this might be the case....that and leveling the inner closer to the height of the outer ball stud. If I get a chance this weekend I plan to test my 415 with a similar setup in the front.
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Old 05-24-2005, 10:42 AM   #8939
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Where can I get setup sheets on this car?
hi there - we just redesigned our page and now have a setup download section. there are not many setups yet, but I'll post some soon!
eirik, I'm waiting

if you have a good setup (asphalt or indoor) please email and I will store it....
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I've been running a setup with 3mm spacing on the inner ball stud up front, and 1mm spacing under the outer ball stud on the rear hub.

I race mostly on a high grip asphalt track, where the stock setup is ok, but pushes way too much. I'd imagine it's similar to running foams on carpet, which I bet most of the setups from the top guys are for.

If the traction is good, a low roll center in front and high in rear works well, but when traction drops off, the car can be very very loose, especially on lower speed corners.

This is a very useful adjustment to play with, it can totallly change the way car feels, moreso than any other adjustment in my opinion.

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