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Old 05-05-2005, 04:10 PM   #8671
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The spring rate range for #53163 are:

Blue 10-11 lb
Yellow 8-9 lb
Red 6-7 lb

These rates ended up being a perfect range for the suspension system. I kinda luck out on that one (not having to have springs made).

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The second half of your question is touching on the reactive portion of the system that is inherent of the design (in a good way). Lowering the inside camber link increases camber change and also lowers your roll center. This is usually done to transfer more weight (roll) in effort to get more traction. With the Pro-Module suspension, the same adjustment decreases the dampening leverage which promotes roll which is the intended result. So it's really an attribute of the system. I brushed on it indirectly in my original explanation of what the system does:

"This portion is reactive to the roll center position. For example: If you were to theoretically lower your upper link down to the same point as the lower arm hinge pin, the system would behave conventionally."
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Old 05-05-2005, 04:21 PM   #8672
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David,

I noticed that you made an allusion to it, but i thought maybe there could have been some side effects. By the way, lowering the inner camber link raises the roll centre, dosen't it ? My thought is that the effect on camber change is more important than on the Roll Centre (since it has very low effect on it compared to the same adjustment on the susp mount).

BTW : Thanks a lot for the springs rates and the infos, it's great to have you here
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Old 05-05-2005, 05:09 PM   #8673
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David,

I noticed that you made an allusion to it, but i thought maybe there could have been some side effects. By the way, lowering the inner camber link raises the roll centre, dosen't it ? My thought is that the effect on camber change is more important than on the Roll Centre (since it has very low effect on it compared to the same adjustment on the susp mount).

BTW : Thanks a lot for the springs rates and the infos, it's great to have you here
The effect of lowering the upper link and what it does to the roll center depends on the suspension geometry of the vehicle. In the case of the 415 and Evo IV, lowering the inside upper link lowers the roll center. Basically, if you were to raise the suspension blocks to the point in which the suspension arm were sloped downward to the wheels and that was your static position, then yes, lowering the inside upper link would raise the roll center. I have seen illustrations of roll center points but some of these illustrations donít always depict a typical R/C cars suspension so although they are accurate for the geometry in the illustration, they donít always apply to all geometries.

Regarding camber change and roll centers, they are both related to one another and in my opinion, equally important.

Thanks for the warm welcome. Iím glad if Iím able to assist in any way. Iím not always able to be online so I apologize in advance if I donít reply right away.
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Old 05-05-2005, 07:09 PM   #8674
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Damn, all that new Tamiya stuff at Speedtech. Do you have pics of the 5mm clamp style blue anodized aluminum hex hubs? I'm interested in them. Already have a spare set of TRF shocks, so it might be a little crazy of me to have another spare set.


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Old 05-05-2005, 10:26 PM   #8675
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Anyone out there care to share the setup sheet for 415MS? It's for a high speed, high grip outdoor asphalt. Thanks in advance.
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Old 05-05-2005, 10:30 PM   #8676
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Here's how the track looks like.
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Old 05-05-2005, 10:39 PM   #8677
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Here's how the track looks like.
Damn that awesome. You could get lost while driving if not paying attention with all those openings on that layout.
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Old 05-05-2005, 10:44 PM   #8678
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I think I have seen pics of that track before is it in japan?
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I think I have seen pics of that track before is it in japan?
It's in Malaysia.
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Just start with the manual setup.

Most of MS guys run with blue spring front and rear with 35 oil 3 holes
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Just start with the manual setup.

Most of MS guys run with blue spring front and rear with 35 oil 3 holes
Thanks for the info.
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Old 05-06-2005, 02:44 AM   #8682
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Hi to everyone,
can someone share with me a setup or tips to help me with my new 415MS ?
I run currently outdoor with foams on a good grip bumpy asphalt track.
Actually, on my track, the cars to beat are Pro4's...
Thank you in advance to all gurus of 415....
I've ordered from Steve, the new DJ suspension module... what do you think David ? it can give appreciable help with foams outdoor ?
Or I was hurried ....?

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Hmmm... Pro Module or hotel for Reedy, Pro Module or hotel for Reedy......
Guess sleep is more important
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Thanks for the info.
hey GTracer dude ,..check out the new layout for the race
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It's in Malaysia.
Malaysia! I'm here in Singapore for business, when is the next race?
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