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Old 03-14-2005, 01:06 AM   #7786
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I have been testing the 415MS at the Tamiya track for a couple of times... the car seems to have a MAJOR push into corners... the mid corner steering is good with the C/A front bridge combo....

How to get more initial turn-in? I'm running 19T motor with sorex 36R tires. the car is on the stock setup except the C/A front combo, red front and rear swaybar and I put the front shock to the outter hole on the shock tower to get more steering...
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I have been testing the 415MS at the Tamiya track for a couple of times... the car seems to have a MAJOR push into corners... the mid corner steering is good with the C/A front bridge combo....

How to get more initial turn-in? I'm running 19T motor with sorex 36R tires. the car is on the stock setup except the C/A front combo, red front and rear swaybar and I put the front shock to the outter hole on the shock tower to get more steering...
Have you tried the 2 deg c-hubs yet..???
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I have been testing the 415MS at the Tamiya track for a couple of times... the car seems to have a MAJOR push into corners... the mid corner steering is good with the C/A front bridge combo....

How to get more initial turn-in? I'm running 19T motor with sorex 36R tires. the car is on the stock setup except the C/A front combo, red front and rear swaybar and I put the front shock to the outter hole on the shock tower to get more steering...
You might want to try 1x and 1a blocks on the rear of the car.
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Old 03-14-2005, 04:24 AM   #7789
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Guess I must be. I had to take the shims from my Mugen clutches to get ti right.



Hey Stan...how much money you have into it to get it to work?

Good luck guys, I am done with this car.
wow, not as much as you think, but then again no matter car you buy your going to put money into

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Old 03-14-2005, 04:29 AM   #7790
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Old 03-14-2005, 06:29 AM   #7791
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Come on Rafaelli, this car works very well. I sense an underlying tone of recent losses to a different brand which could be causing your frustration with the car.

I've raced this car 4 times now, and practiced a few days, and it's got a record of 3 wins and a second in Sportsman at So Cal raceway. That class contains some pretty good talent. Mine is a MS with box stock setup!

I just took the box stock setup off, and installed the 0 deg rear hubs, and did a few other things, and I had 0 washers keeping the stock rear hubs from moving in and out, no problems at all.

The only weak spot on this that I have found is the hub bearings. When I pulled everything apart today, one of them was crunchy, still not that bad.

Go buy brand X car that is beating you, I'm sure you will feel better.

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I sense an underlying tone of recent losses to a different brand which could be causing your frustration with the car.


Hey Raul Garcia, does this apply to you? Tamiya was good enough for you to beat the local guys, but as soon as somebody took you behind the shed now the Tamiya not good enough, you better stay away from RC madness you might go through every touring they make



good luck this weekend

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I have been testing the 415MS at the Tamiya track for a couple of times... the car seems to have a MAJOR push into corners... the mid corner steering is good with the C/A front bridge combo....

How to get more initial turn-in? I'm running 19T motor with sorex 36R tires. the car is on the stock setup except the C/A front combo, red front and rear swaybar and I put the front shock to the outter hole on the shock tower to get more steering...
Lately, Sorex 36Rs (with the Hara medium insert ) are a little out of range as far as tire compounds go. Takes a couple of laps to come up to temp and will push while doing so.

Try increasing downtravel in the rear. This will allow more weight to transfer forward when you initiate a turn. Also try moving the rear shocks to the outter holes on the shock tower.
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Where do you buy an aluminum Juergen front diff from?
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Where do you buy an aluminum Juergen front diff from?
Jurgen can be reached at this email: [email protected].

Make sure to buy some Corally Blades!!
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I have been testing the 415MS at the Tamiya track for a couple of times... the car seems to have a MAJOR push into corners... the mid corner steering is good with the C/A front bridge combo....

How to get more initial turn-in? I'm running 19T motor with sorex 36R tires. the car is on the stock setup except the C/A front combo, red front and rear swaybar and I put the front shock to the outter hole on the shock tower to get more steering...
If you did that on the front shock tower, then you are wrong, it will give you less turn in, you should try the shocks on the second inner hole on the shock tower, try also using less spacers under the front turnbuckle (more angled turnbuckle), and more rear droop (aswell as the most upright position for the rear shocks). You could also try 1.5 rear toe as you're running 19T.
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Jurgen can be reached at this email: [email protected].

Make sure to buy some Corally Blades!!
Koabich,

Thanks for the tip. I just sent Juergen a note. BTW, with the Juergen front diff, do you have to buy any other parts to make it work (i.e. thrust bearing, balls, rings)?
How much do these run?
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If you did that on the front shock tower, then you are wrong, it will give you less turn in, you should try the shocks on the second inner hole on the shock tower, try also using less spacers under the front turnbuckle (more angled turnbuckle), and more rear droop (aswell as the most upright position for the rear shocks). You could also try 1.5 rear toe as you're running 19T.

thanks everyone for the reply!

I have tried using the inner hole on the front shock tower so that the rear is more "stand up" than the front. but to my surprise, it's even more PUSH! i stand up the front and i get more steering this suspension thing is black magic to me...
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thanks everyone for the reply!

I have tried using the inner hole on the front shock tower so that the rear is more "stand up" than the front. but to my surprise, it's even more PUSH! i stand up the front and i get more steering this suspension thing is black magic to me...
I think you guys are talking about different kind of push. Standing the shocks in front up will give you quicker turn-in but less steering mid corner and exit, whereas laying the front shocks down will do the opposite and hold the turn better around the corner.
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Old 03-14-2005, 11:38 AM   #7799
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I think you guys are talking about different kind of push. Standing the shocks in front up will give you quicker turn-in but less steering mid corner and exit, whereas laying the front shocks down will do the opposite and hold the turn better around the corner.
Nope he did say that the mid corner steering was good and that it was entering the corner that was the problem.
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Nope he did say that the mid corner steering was good and that it was entering the corner that was the problem.
Then it's true. As I said, standing the shocks up will give you more steering entering the corner than laying the shocks down.
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